smoofra comments on LessWrong Boo Vote (Stochastic Downvoting) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 22 April 2009 02:39:44AM *  7 points [-]

Data point: I was going to make a different comment, but have been made paranoid and inclined to hoard my existing karma by the new, more liberal downvoting recommendations. I'm never going to find out whether my original comment would have improved anyone else's reading experience or not, because I didn't care about it enough to take a newly increased risk as the price for saying it.

I don't want to trade in karma I earn for great comments so I can make mediocre comments. I want my karma to go up, preferably fast. I'm not sure if this is a good goal to have - maybe karma just feels like approval and I like it because I wasn't hugged enough as a child or something - but nevertheless, I have that motivation.

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Comment author: Alicorn 24 April 2009 05:46:17PM *  1 point [-]

I'm still making comments. And I value some strategies over others to get karma - I don't want it to go up for sheer volume and dumb luck. I'd rather make comments that come to mind as good things to say, not just type the unfiltered contents of my brain. (The unfiltered contents of my brain contain a lot more fiction references, inside jokes that are known only to my close personal friends, and musings about muffins and tofu and broccoli than anyone wants to read.) And I'd rather the good ones get voted up and the bad ones get informative replies - not freely dispensed downvotes - so I can adjust my behavior with more information than a brute negative number.

Also, as a counterexample, I took a karma hit for a number of comments on another thread - I remarked on it and they've all been compensated for, but if I hadn't said anything I imagine they'd have sat there indefinitely, because apparently the new "downvote freely" ethos hasn't made me paranoid enough.

Comment author: thomblake 24 April 2009 05:52:19PM 1 point [-]

so I can adjust my behavior with more information than a brute negative number.

For comparison, I prefer to comment the same way I would if nobody was voting on them. If the people here like my comments, then they'll float to the top. If my comments routinely got downvoted to oblivion, I'd probably post elsewhere instead.

In other words, I'm a big fan of the marketplace of ideas, but I don't have one in my own head.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 24 April 2009 09:31:31PM 0 points [-]

For comparison, I prefer to comment the same way I would if nobody was voting on them. If the people here like my comments, then they'll float to the top. If my comments routinely got downvoted to oblivion, I'd probably post elsewhere instead.

Insofar as voting is collective feedback from this community, it carries at least some informational value that one should value to the extent that one considers the average LW user to have intelligent, insightful opinions.

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Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 24 April 2009 11:48:41PM *  0 points [-]

It does. Perhaps the most significant value I get is in calibrating my expression. People here, who for most part are a relatively inferential distance from myself and relatively high in comprehension ability. When people here don't understand what I'm saying then chances are I'm leaving too many inferential steps implicit, expression myself inelegantly or conveying concepts too quickly and I need to adjust my communication.

In context, if these grammatical mistakes were intentional I tip my hat to you, sir. Well played.