khafra comments on I Stand by the Sequences - Less Wrong

14 Post author: Grognor 15 May 2012 10:21AM

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Comment author: khafra 15 May 2012 12:17:48PM 14 points [-]

But, hey, maybe he's wrong about that.

I think it was cool of Grognor to make a meta+ contrarian post like this one, and it's a good reminder that our kind have trouble expressing assent. As for me, I see some of the sequence posts I see as lies-to-children, but that's different from disagreeing.

Comment author: beriukay 15 May 2012 01:55:40PM 9 points [-]

But apparently we can hack it by expressing dissent of dissent.

Comment author: faul_sname 15 May 2012 07:19:50PM -1 points [-]

How many levels of meta can we go?

Comment author: Rain 16 May 2012 01:59:37PM -1 points [-]

Too many.

Comment author: Dorikka 15 May 2012 03:31:39PM 3 points [-]

As for me, I see some of the sequence posts I see as lies-to-children, but that's different from disagreeing.

Could you elaborate on this? I interpret 'lies-to-children' as meaning that a model is too basic and is wrong in some places because there are applicable details which it does not take into account -- would you not disagree with such things, if you don't think that such models actually form a correct map of reality?

Comment author: khafra 15 May 2012 04:31:34PM 3 points [-]

I meant in the sense of lies-to-children, or Wittgenstein's Ladder. I cannot remember the primary posts that gave me that impression, and I know they were better than this concrete example; but that shows what I was talking about. At a sufficiently granular layer, technically incorrect; but inarguably useful.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 May 2012 05:17:50PM 3 points [-]

The entire Quantum Physics sequence is a protracted lie to people who can't or don't want to do the math.

This was explicit in the introduction to the sequence.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 15 May 2012 07:14:38PM 6 points [-]

Well, I see it more like teaching someone about addition, and only covering the whole numbers, with an offhand mention that there are more numbers out there that can be added.

Drastic simplification, yes. Lie, no.