MrHen comments on Proposal: Use the Wiki for Concepts - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MrHen 06 May 2009 06:38:09PM *  0 points [-]

There is an advantage in the extra layer since articles about LW or OB posts in that they can be categorized by the Wiki software without worrying about where they are hosted. I have noticed a few of your posts are hosted on yudkowsky.net, but the wiki won't care. It would treat those the same and makes interlinking easier.

Either way works for me, but I need to know how to proceed with regards to Posts at LW. The simple question:

In the meantime, there are plenty of other things to work on, so I will just backburner that project.

(Edit) I touched up the first paragraph a bit. Also, since there seems to be an obvious push away from wiki articles for posts I will just can the whole idea until someone specifically asks for it.

Comment author: badger 06 May 2009 08:17:21PM *  1 point [-]

Concurring with Vladimir, no. As an alternative to the page you point to, articles like this one should be developed instead. This is not a model article, but it gets to the concept of interest without being unduly inward looking.

If you are reading through the OB/LW archives, here are some ways to contribute:

  • Create concept pages if they don't exist
  • Add posts as references to wiki articles
  • Add post information and summaries to the list of articles
Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 06 May 2009 07:55:28PM 1 point [-]

From the above I'm sure that the answer to your question is a simple "No".

On creating the pages for articles: we don't study articles for their own sake, and so wiki shouldn't be about the articles. The wiki can refer to the articles to allow the reader to learn about what's relevant.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 May 2009 09:58:54PM 0 points [-]

Concurring with badger, no.

Comment author: MrHen 06 May 2009 10:54:30PM 1 point [-]

Works for me. Does this sound like a better alternate plan?

  • Read a post to gather all concepts
  • Make sure a wiki article exists for each concept
  • Add a link to the post within those articles
  • Possibly add a small sentence describing why the post is related

I feel that there should be some sort of limit to which articles get added. Not every article posted to LW belongs because some posts have more informational value. Right now I am planning on reading through your posts specifically, so this is somewhat moot, but it would be nice to have a rough guideline. The few I can think of immediately:

  • Posts promoted to the front page
  • Posts with "high" karma
  • Posts by certain, approved authors

I think the first makes the most sense.

Thanks for the input, by the way. I want the work to be helpful and not something that needs to be reworked because I went off and did what I thought was correct.

Comment author: badger 06 May 2009 11:22:34PM 1 point [-]

Yes, that is a good course of action.

I think we'll just have to play it by ear as to when LW posts should be referenced. Promotion is the easiest heuristic, although even a poor post can generate good discussion. Depending on the circumstances, it may be appropriate to cite a post for the discussion or to cite a specific comment.

Right now, I say err on the side of inclusion. At worst, it can be deleted easily later. Even if it isn't perfectly relevant to the article it is in, a reference might inspire someone to move it to a better home.