steven0461 comments on Escaping Your Past - Less Wrong

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Comment author: kurige 23 April 2009 03:17:11AM *  -1 points [-]

Epistemic rationality alone might be well enough for those of us who simply love truth (who love truthseeking, I mean; the truth itself is usually an abomination)

What motivation is there to seek out an abomination? I read the linked comment and I disagree strongly... The curious, persistent rationalist should find the truth seeking process rewarding, but shouldn't it be rewarding because your working toward something wonderful? Worded another way - of what value is truth seeking if you hold the very object you seek in contempt?

If you take the strictly classical, rational view of the world than you lose the ability to say that truth is "beautiful". Not a great loss, considering "beauty" is an ill-defined, subjective term - but if you continue to cut everything our of your life that has no rational value then you very quickly become a psuedo-vulcan.

Truth, at the highest level, has an irrational, indefinable quality. It's this quality that makes it seductive, worthwhile, valuable, desirable. Truth is something you grok. Heinlein was a loony, but I do thank him for that word.

but some of my friends tell me there should be some sort of payoff for all this work of inference. And indeed, there should be: if you know how something works, you might be able to make it work better. Enter epistemic rationality, the art of doing better. We all want to better, and we all believe that we can do better...

I like to think that I seek truth. Others are here to "win" or "be better". Maybe we're all talking about the same thing. Maybe not.

This comment is a bit off-topic from the rest of the post, and quickly becoming dangerously Zen, but I would much appreciate it if somebody more knowledgeable on the subject could offer some disambiguation either here or in a separate post.

Comment author: steven0461 23 April 2009 04:24:40PM *  1 point [-]

Worded another way - of what value is truth seeking if you hold the very object you seek in contempt?

You cannot fix, or kill, what you haven't found. The phrase "truth hunting" might be appropriate.

Though if the point is that contempt of the territory does not imply contempt of the map, then I agree.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 23 April 2009 04:32:32PM 0 points [-]

Contempt of the map? It is the map that should be is irrelevant, while the possibilities implied by it for the territory are to be valued and selected from.