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Brennan asked: "Is this the only way in which Bayesian masters come to be, sensei?"
And thought: "How could Jeffreyssai possibly have known before Brennan knew himself?"
He wants to find a better way to train Bayesian masters.
I'd wager 10 karma points against 1 that this is not the desire Eliezer has imagined for Brennan.
I'd only wager 5 against 1 that he has a specific desire imagined for Brennan.
(Thus begins the prediction market for the Bardic Conspiracy...)
You win, naturally.
I can think of a desire that Brennan might have, and indeed had it in mind at the time; but since it doesn't appear in the story, it would seem that my particular belief is not particularly privileged...
...but I agree with you that Brennan's desire is almost certainly not "a better way to train Bayesian masters", that would be way the hell out of his revealed character.
low priority, I'm sure, but I'd be entirely in favor of a means by which we could enact bets like these.
Might be too easily gamed. Imagine that A and B are both keen to get more karma -- of course A and B might really be the same person, though not the same LW-user -- then they both make 1000-to-1 bets against one another, etc. (Of course the karma system can already be subverted a little by simpler means -- A and B just upvote one another -- but that's much slower and milder.)
I was assuming that karma was actually being transferred, zero-sum.
That puts people with a great deal of Karma in a much better position with respect to Karma gambling. You could take us normal folk all-in pretty easily.
well, I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to take a bet which could lose them their posting ability, for example.
[EDIT, later: This comment is simply wrong; I wasn't thinking straight. Sorry.]
You can't do that for uneven bets, like orthonormal's. (I suppose you could have a negative-sum system where you say "I'm willing to gain 1 point at the risk of N", and then you need to find N people who will all bet with you on those terms; they all make 1-for-1 bets, but if you win you only get 1. But that doesn't seem terribly appealing.)
I don't understand the problem.
If Eliezer imagined Brennan as wanting to create more Bayesian masters, ortho would lose 10 points, which MrShaggy would gain. Under the reverse case, ortho gains a point, MrShaggy loses one.
The problem is that I'm an idiot and misunderstood; sorry.
I voted this down and the parent up because, while it's a fine apology, you should not actually get more karma for admitting a mistake than the person who corrected you gets.
Fine with me. (I'm going to take the self-flattering route and assume that my comment got voted up because being prepared to admit one's errors is a good thing, rather than because the observation "gjm is an idiot" is particularly worthy of upvotes...)
I voted this down, and the immediate parent up, because recognizing one's errors and acknowledging them is worthy of Karma, even if the error was pointed out to you by another.
I guess this raises a different question: I've been attempting to use my up and down votes as a straight expression of how I regard the post or comment. While I can't guarantee that I am never drawn to inadvertently engage in corrective voting (where I attempt to bring a post or comment's karma in line with where I think it should be in an absolute sense or relative to another post), it seems as though this is your conscious approach.
What are the advantages/disadvantages or the two approaches?
Also note: "Power, he'd sought at first. Strength to prevent a repetition of the past. "If you don't know what you need, take power" - so went the proverb. He had gone first to the Competitive Conspiracy, then to the beisutsukai."
But the teacher has promised failure as a seemingly necessary step to mastery on this path, so it has not fulfilled what he went there for yet.