loup-vaillant comments on Problematic Problems for TDT - Less Wrong

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Comment author: loup-vaillant 24 June 2012 09:19:05PM *  0 points [-]

I see no such hard part.

To get back to the exact original problem as stated by the OP, I only need to replace "you" by "an agent running TDT", and "your simulated twin" by "the simulated agent". Do we agree?

Assuming we do agree, are you telling me the hard part is in that change? Are you telling me that TDT would 1-box in the original problem, even though it 2-boxes on my problem?

WHYYYYY?

in which there is no way to tell whether you're in the simulation or not

Wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by "you"? TDT? or "any agent whatsoever"? If it's TDT alone why? If I read you correctly, you already agree that's it's not because Omega said "running TDT" instead of "running WTF-DT". If it's "any agent whatsoever", then are you really sure the simulated and real problem aren't actually the same? (I'm sure they aren't, but, just checking.)

Comment author: APMason 24 June 2012 10:08:30PM 0 points [-]

Wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by "you"? TDT? or "any agent whatsoever"? If it's TDT alone why? If I read you correctly, you already agree that's it's not because Omega said "running TDT" instead of "running WTF-DT". If it's "any agent whatsoever", then are you really sure the simulated and real problem aren't actually the same? (I'm sure they aren't, but, just checking.)

Well, no, this would be my disagreement: it's precisely because Omega told you that the simulated agent is running TDT that only TDT could or could not be the simulation; the simulated and real problem are, for all intents and purposes, identical (Omega doesn't actually need to put a reward in the simulated boxes, because he doesn't need to reward the simulated agent, but both problems appear exactly the same to the simulated and real TDT agents).

Comment author: loup-vaillant 25 June 2012 06:51:30AM 1 point [-]

This comment from lackofcheese finally made it click. Your comment also make sense.

I now understand that this "problematic" problem just isn't fair. TDT 1-boxes because it's the only way to get the million.