thomblake comments on When None Dare Urge Restraint, pt. 2 - Less Wrong

56 Post author: Jay_Schweikert 30 May 2012 03:28PM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 30 May 2012 09:10:18PM 2 points [-]

Doesn't that presume barbarians who will reliably act in their own best interest?

If I assume that, then being able to offer barbarians a service they value in exchange for something they value less is sufficient to protect myself from barbarians, as long as I ensure I won't provide that service once attacked. But it's quite an assumption.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 30 May 2012 10:10:10PM -1 points [-]

no, you use the threat against people who are rational to provide you with conventional air superiority. This protects you from stupid people.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 30 May 2012 10:15:45PM 0 points [-]

Ah, I see.
So what protects them?

Comment author: wedrifid 30 May 2012 10:18:39PM 1 point [-]

So what protects them?

The stupid people? Their overwhelming numbers! ;)

Comment author: RomeoStevens 30 May 2012 10:21:28PM -2 points [-]

How does air superiority protect you? Is that the question? It reliably does, the fact that modern empires are too chickenshit/stupid to use it correctly doesn't mean it doesn't work.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/vietnam/AP40.htm

Comment author: TheOtherDave 30 May 2012 10:53:03PM 3 points [-]

I am now confused.

It sounds like you are saying:
a) conventional air superiority is a reliable way of being left alone by barbarians, and
b) a credible deadman-switch doomsday device is the only way to be left alone by barbarians

I also believe:
c) conventional air superiority is not a credible deadman-switch doomsday device,

It seems that at least one of those statements must be false.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 30 May 2012 10:58:45PM -2 points [-]

there are two types of barbarians, the kind that take a nuke seriously (current nation states) and the kind that are just insane. You use conventional means against the latter. you get supplied with conventional means by the former.