Kaj_Sotala comments on Reaching young math/compsci talent - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 03 June 2012 04:07:51AM 2 points [-]

While I agree with most of this (and have upvoted) two points stand out:

Also, are you familiar with growth versus static models of intelligence

I don't think bringing this up helps your point very much. While there are individuals whose apparent extreme talent blooms fairly late (e.g. Steven Chu who didn't really start being that impressive until he was in college), the lack of change of IQ scores over time on average is very robust, dating back to Spearman's original research about a hundred years ago. This is also true for other metrics of intelligence. By and large, intelligence is pretty static.

University professors don't tell students they are too stupid to contribute to the problems they are trying to solve

This is true, but professors do sometimes tell students when a problem may just be out of their league. To use an extreme example, consider a grad student who walks into his adviser's office and says he wants to prove the Riemann Hypothesis. That said, your essential point is valid, because even in that case, a professor could still direct them to some easier related problem or helpful question related to some aspect of it. So your basic point is valid.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 03 June 2012 08:23:15AM *  9 points [-]

Intelligence seems relatively static, but AFAIK once you've reached a certain minimum threshold in intelligence, conscientiousness becomes a more important factor for actual accomplishment. (Anecdotally and intuitively, conscientiousness seems more amenable to change, but I don't know if the psychological evidence supports that.)

Comment author: Barry_Cotter 03 June 2012 02:07:34PM 4 points [-]

Wait, there's real evidence of durable changes in conscientiousness? Point me its way. The psychology literature does not appear (after a brief search) to support the idea of lasting change. I would be happy to be wrong.

Comment author: gwern 03 June 2012 05:13:41PM 5 points [-]
Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 03 June 2012 02:23:47PM 2 points [-]

Sorry, I should have been more clear: I only have anecdotal evidence, and a rather small sample at that. I'll edit my comment.