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That would be difficult, since "groundbreaking work" automatically implies "extreme outlier".
In fact, I would expect that typical mathematicians are much more useful above 30 than below -- to a greater extent than is the case for the extreme outliers.
Simonton (1988) Age and Outstanding Achievement: What Do We Know After a Century of Research? Psychological Bulletin, Vol. 104, No. 2, 251-267.
Short version: the productivity for mathematicians seems to peak around late 20s or early 30s, with the productivity after the peak falling to less than one-quarter the maximum. However, the average quality of a contribution does not seem to vary with age, and exceptional researchers (in any field) tend to remain unusually profilic, as compared to an average researcher of the same age, even after passing their peaks.
Long version:
...and after posting that comment, I remembered that I had made an earlier post citing studies that said that it's the middle-aged and not young scientists who are the most productive, which is in conflict with the results I just quoted. I feel silly now. I guess I should re-read the studies that I referenced three years ago to figure out what version is correct.
Just to make the obvious point, your earlier post seems to draw on citations using mostly post-60s and later data, while that 1988 paper uses many citations from the 60s or earlier.
If old and young mathematicians have different strengths and weaknesses maybe it's best to have a few of both.
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Galenson's book on artists fascinated me: he identified two clusters, experimental artists who liked to sketch and rework things and whose quality increased with age, and conceptual artists, who liked doing preparatory work and outsourcing the actual production, who made massive contributions when young but whose productivity rapidly tapered off.
With art, there's room for both types, but I imagine that math and related fields are heavily biased towards the conceptual style, especially the theoretical components of those fields.
Actually, one of the first things that new researchers have to learn is that just thinking about a problem and coming up with ideas will get you nowhere -- you have to actually get your hands dirty and try things out to make progress.
Oh, definitely. I don't mean to imply that, say, Warhol never got his hands dirty- but that Rembrandt's skill was in the realm of dirty hands and that Warhol's skill was in the realm of insight.
(I know in my research the act of sitting down and writing out an idea or sitting down and coding an algorithm or sitting down and going through the math has been indispensable, and strongly recommend it to anyone else.)
Depends on the surface area of unbroken ground. I understand there are quite a few marginal areas in mathematics where you can come up with novel approaches that will be quite impressive to the other five people working on that specific sub-sub-sub-area, but not necessarily that much to mathematics at large. Also, contemporary mathematicians whose names are actually recognizable by popular science literate non-mathematicians are a very small group even compared to the sort of top researchers who are working with the sort stuff the apocryphal wisdom about needing to be in your 20s seems to apply to.
Though I'd also like to see more arguments about how above 30 mathematicians can do all sorts of useful stuff when you don't get fixated on paradigm-upending world-class results, and what sort of stuff this is.