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I thought Jiro Dreams of Sushi was a really great documentary. Yes, it is about sushi, so for anyone who loves sushi it's a must-see (and I know there are a lot of general Japanophiles here...). But much more than that it is about two things: dedication to your craft and father-son relationships.
Jiro Ono exemplifies the concept of conatus. I always thought and was taught to be well-rounded and know and be good at a lot of things. That still holds true, but only recently I've realized that, at least professionally, you should probably choose one thing and just become the best at it. Watching Jiro really inspired me to figure out how I can go on a similar path myself, even though all my impulses tell me to be a "generalist." (After walking out of the theater I was inspired, but I also truly felt like shit because I was hit with the realization that I'm good at a lot of things but not AMAZING at anything).
The film also made me think a lot about father-son relationships. I want to write at length about this it's difficult without spoilers...
I just watched it. I don't think we should worry about spoilers, especially with non-fiction documentaries - there's no twist ending.
Anyway, I thought it was a very nicely done documentary with many delicious images, avoided the obvious mistake of putting Jiro on a pedestal & ignoring his staff, and did a good job of highlighting the double-edged nature of being a shokunin (great term). I found very true a comment from The New Yorker:
One does wind up feeling sorry for the kids - and while Jiro may be happy, are they? Why did he have kids if he wasn't going to do a good job, one wonders, and was just a stranger? (He says he convinced them to not go to college (so they could work for him immediately!); one wonders how loud that conversation was...) I was shocked when he spoke of his wife in the present tense because we hadn't seen hide nor hair of her, and I had assumed she simply died a few years or decades back. I was strongly reminded of the passage about professional athletes from David Foster Wallace I quoted in my subcultures essay. Sometimes a sacrifice may just make one lesser.
Still, Jiro Dreams of Sushi provoked some interesting blog posts:
Robin Hanson takes the expected tack of defending Jiro as a proto-em. With Hanson, if a workaholic comes up, you can expect him to either say that as an em, he would have a life worth living; or you can expect him to say that we should praise him because he is producing so much value for other people and consuming so little himself (possibly with some half-baked evopsych theorizing that any criticism is due to the workaholic perhaps being a less valuable ally).
Personally, I found interesting someone's observation that women appear only as consumers towards the end. And why wouldn't they? Jiro is not a life one really envys - think of all the also-rans. Wouldn't it be better to be an non-autistic women who can instead enjoy the finer things in life? Sort of like Greenspun's defense of the gender gap in STEM: given the options available to smart young women, like being a very well paid child psychology, why should they go into the miserable grinding underpaid fields like science? Let the autism-spectrum nut nerds take the 'rewards' of being in STEM. Of course, this implies that as we see, men will take the very topmost positions in these sorts of underpaid fields (think the winner's curse, but not for auctions), and if ems are winner-take-all economics, ems will almost 100% be male uploads...
Tyler Cowen focuses not on the economics of fishing which it touched upon, but rather why the labor system with regard to setting up your own sushi restaurant and being an apprentice is so messed up. Cowen does have the economist's expected take on the conveyor sushi (which the movie clearly regards with some horror). At some points I did feel with the commentator:
It would not surprise me too much if Jiro's restaurant had only a small edge over the competitors... When Jiro said that to surprise your customers you had have to a higher standard of taste than them, I wondered 'but how could they then appreciate it? You just said it was beyond their standard of taste!'
Steve Sailer complains about the subtitles. I dunno, the subs in my pirated HD torrent seemed perfectly readable to me. Another example of life sucking for the good doobies, I suppose... He also reiterates his old quasi-conspiracy theory:
Yeah, too bad about the massive underemployment etc. Life's also pretty good for the elite in America too. (At least his commenters call him on it.)
Why would you expect Jiro to be a good father? That wasn't what he was focusing on.
If everyone is an em, who would appreciate the em's work?
I saw the movie in a theater, and had trouble with the subtitles. Maybe they were improved for the DVD.
Of course it wasn't, and that's the problem. No one stole Jiro's semen and presented him a year later with a fait accompli of a bunch of babies: he chose to have kids, knowing that he would deliberately spend little time with them until they became useful to his monomania. They are means for him - towards cheap family labor (he thinks he is generous in letting them go to high school!), and then the restaurant succession. Yes, ignoring them may have enabled him to make slightly better sushi than everyone else - but is this something to laud? That's the question here about Jiro: was mutilating his life and family worth it?
I'm not sure I can answer 'yes'. It's just sushi. (And before you shoot back 'well, he certainly considers it worth it', remember that a heroin addict or a wirehead could say as much.)
While I can't attest to the quality of Jiro's sushi, the quality of the sushi served by a sushi bar at Tsukiji market (you can see the front left facade of the restaurant in the scene where Jiro's son is departing from the market, and the camera is behind him, leaving only his shaded back visible - I can't recall the name) was at least two orders of magnitude* better than any other sushi I have ever had; I have consumed much sushi.
*An order of magnitude here being three octaves of "Mmm!"
Triggered by recommendations from Will Newsome and Gwern I watched all episodes of Death Note in like 3 days and it's by far the best series I know of. I only comment here 'cause I feel really sorry for all the folks out there who haven't watched Death Note yet.
Here's a short overview by Gwern (spoiler warning!):
And here the beginning of a short plot summary (again by Gwern):
I would just recommend stopping after a certain critical point in the show. There will be a big event that introduces several new characters, the show really goes downhill from then on.
But then you miss the ending and pondering over what it means! Although I'll admit my essay probably means I am unusual in finding the ending so interesting...
I still clench my teeth thinking about the ending. So wrong and contrived.
I just read your essay and found it more entertaining than the actual ending itself.
I think the end of season 1 was honestly a perfect ending. N as a character was a boring L clone+.
IMO it goes from uber-awesome to good, but you're right, it was somewhat disappointing.
On AngryParsley and probably gwern's advice, I watched Puella Magi Madoka Magica. It starts out as a monster-of-the-week magical girl anime but quickly takes a turn for the absolutely bizarre, intersecting a few LW tropes on its way out.
I also watched the first season of Kore wa Zombie desu ka? (which I think would be better translated as "This is supposed to be a zombie?" or "This is what it means to be a zombie?"). It's also a memetic mutation of the magical girl genre; the main character is turned into a zombie and quickly gathers a harem of supernaturals, while accidentally draining the magic powers of the harem's token magical girl.
I wouldn't watch the second season until all of it is available; Hulu has a bad habit of giving up on a show halfway through (e.g., of all things, Serial Experiments Lain... facepalm).
One criticism I've heard of Puella Magi Madoka Magica (from my family; I think it's great) is that it "has too many little girls crying". So I guess if that's not your cup of tea, that's something to watch out for.
I had more trouble with the early parts where they were just being normal little girls. Once things got creepy and tragic I was at home. ;)
See above for redundant comment about the incredibly fucked state of copyright. Pirate away, really; I can't imagine how perverse you'd have to be to obey such laws!
At the risk of sounding like a sappy old grandmother, I really enjoyed Faces of America and the current follow-up series Finding Your Roots. You can watch them for free on PBS. They're both done by Henry Louis Gates (the Harvard professor that famously got arrested entering his own house).*
The show features extensive research into the genealogies of a whichever celebrities are on that episode. We learn interesting details about their ancestors but it's much more about the historical context in which those ancestors lived. Once the paper trail runs out (for some it's a few generations, for others a 1000+ years) the show turns to genetics.
A few cool things so far:
*Funny story: the officer that arrested him said that Gates told him "yo mama." He really said he was coming back from a recording with Yo-Yo Ma (who was featured in Faces of America).
Razib Khan has some criticism of that show (a consultant for 23andme who worked with Gates for the show shows up in the comments).
I've been watching Prison Break, which I don't really recommend as "great", but is extremely gripping (at any given moment, everything is about to go wrong - they maintain ridiculous tension for almost all of Season 1). The main character is not particularly interesting, but demonstrates a lot of competence, intelligence and agency. So many shows have "reactive" heroes, and I've developed a particular appreciation for heroes that set themselves big goals and then go out and achieve them in a comprehensible manner.
I think you accidentally deleted the name of the show...
I'm guessing Prison Break based on the description.
Heh. You are correct. You'd think there'd be more than one show matching the description "intelligent, competent character" and "tension", but apparently not.
Prometheus is to be avoided.
Many spoilers, but such a vindication: "The 43 Things 'Prometheus' Taught Me (About The Future & Science)".
Yes. After the film, my friend and I were so incensed that we filled out a full A4 page with things that annoyed us, in small handwriting. And half of the reverse side. I'm glad I saw that movie, because though it was the worst film I have ever seen, I got so much entertainment out of criticizing it.
By all means, type that up and post it. I can't get enough Prometheus hate.
Eh, I know this is 6 weeks late, but I have it on my computer now if you're still interested. In the meanwhile: Maddox
Sure. My email is my name at gmail if you'd rather not post it here.
I thought that was my particular quirk, I'm glad I'm not alone.
Agreed. The way I put it (and have seen similar comments):
I will not rule out a friend's invitation to watch it on their Netflix account (for example). Upcoming Star Trek and Cloverfield 2 are on my list.
I've recently started watching Modern Family, and it's really good. It's a comedy, somewhat a la Arrested Development, about a strange family, although the humor is somewhat different - it's not nearly as dry as AD was, but it's still dry.
I've seen a fair few episodes, I'd second the recommendation. Notable for having a non-traditional family presented as being completely run-of-the-mill.
I actually am most disappointed with the fact that all three families (including the gay couple) turn out to have a completely straightforward dynamic (working "dad", stay at home "mom")
That said, the show is incredibly funny and well constructed, as far as family sitcoms go.
I hadn't picked up on that, I thought the blonde mam had a job. Interesting point, I'll remember that.
I actually did too for a long while - Claire seems so tough and together that, apart from not having a job, she feels more like the stereotypical 'Man' in the relationship. But that toughness mostly gets applied to maintaining the household.
Mom or "mom" that doesn't sound all that modern to me!
I very strongly recommend Avatar: the Legend of Korra. Great plot, strong characters, amazing worldbuiling and terrific art. Also, its very realistic in the sense of avoiding conservation of ninjutsu and several other fiction fallacies.
I have seen two episodes, and they were both incredibly low quality for something that so many of my friends recommended.
The prior series (Avatar: The Last Airbender) is better-written. I was very surprised to learn that the Korra episodes are written by the same people - one ep was so clumsy I indignantly looked it up to know who to mock and, nope, same folks.
Film Crit Hulk is a stealth rationalist.
Here is a Monty Python sketch you might not be familiar with: Theory on brontosauruses by Anne Elk In future, when I have the urge to write a post here I am going to ask myself if my idea might be an 'Elk theory'
《舌尖上的中国》 seems to be translated to "A Bite of China" in English (bad translation in my opinion). I have found a few HD torrents and it also seems to be up on YouTube and other video sites. This is an amazing documentary about food in China. It is beautifully filmed, so even those who don't speak Chinese might enjoy it. For Chinese language students, it is packed full of excellent prose.
My (Chinese-born) wife has been watching all those quite avidly, it seems very popular across the Chinese-speaking internet.
I gotta admit that's one recommendation I didn't expect to run into on LessWrong.
The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists - known as The Pirates! Band Of Misfits in the US, because scientists apparently don't sell (and that's quite apart from Charles Darwin being a main character). An Aardman Animations film for kids. UK-made, the US financial contribution only added a small amount of gratuitous pseudo-irony and one Dreamworks smirk.
Edit: I didn't actually say if it was any good. It is. Go see it :-)
... but is it any good?
We (two adults, parents of a small child) laughed like drains, so I'll say "yes" :-)
Just lost about 45 minutes to TVtropes. Warning.
However, knowing that "Pirates!" was originally subtitled "In an Adventure With Scientists" increases my interest in seeing it.
I figured it was a reasonable hazard in a media thread.