shminux comments on Rationality Quotes June 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 05 June 2012 06:05:55PM *  14 points [-]

If you pay nothing for expert advise you will value it at epsilon more than nothing, if you pay five figures for it you will clear your schedule and implement recommendations within the day. In addition to this being one of consulting’s worst-kept secrets, it suggests persuasive reasons why you should probably extract a commitment out of software customers prior to giving them access for the software. Doing this will automatically make people value your software more

Patrick McKenzie, the guy who gets instrumental rationality on the gut level.

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I always thought I really hated getting email. It turns out that I was not a good reporter of my own actual behavior, which is something you’ll hear quite a bit if you follow psychological research. (For example, something like 75% of Americans will report they voted for President Obama, which disagrees quite a bit with the ballot box. They do this partially because they misremember their own behavior and partially because they like to been seen as the type of person who voted for the winner. 99% of geeks will report never having bought anything as a result of an email. They do this because they misremember their own behavior and partially because they believe that buying stuff from “spam” is something that people with AOL email addresses do, and hence admitting that they, too, can be marketed to will cause them to lose status. The AppSumo sumo would be a good deal skinnier if that were actually the case, but geeks were all people before they were geeks, and people are statistically speaking terrible at introspection.)

Comment author: gwern 05 June 2012 06:22:56PM 12 points [-]

If you pay nothing for expert advise you will value it at epsilon more than nothing, if you pay five figures for it you will clear your schedule and implement recommendations within the day.

Obviously I need to figure out how to start charging for my website!

Comment author: shminux 05 June 2012 07:54:37PM *  8 points [-]

I've had the impression that you've been selling yourself short for quite some time.

Maybe you can start by following Patrick's example and offering some of the choice data you collect and analyze to the people subscribing to your mailing list. You can also figure out who might be interested in the information you collect (a cool project in itself), and how much it would be worth to them.

Comment author: Vaniver 07 June 2012 11:14:09PM 5 points [-]

I wonder if a donate button at the end of each article, tied with a question along the lines of "How valuable was the article you just read?", would be effective. (You could even set it up so that you can track the amount donated by article, and use that to guide future research- I'm not sure how effective that would be, since that depends on how many alternatives you have to pick from in considering new research topics.)

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2012 01:56:14AM *  2 points [-]

Well, I do have donation stuff setup; last week I moved the Paypal button from the very bottom, post footnotes (where the Bitcoin address remains), to the left sidebar, to see if that would help. (So far it hasn't.)

A rating widget is a good idea; I'm messing around with some but I'm not seeing any really good ones hosted by third-parties (static site, remember).

that depends on how many alternatives you have to pick from in considering new research topics.

I am completely undisciplined and I do this stuff as the whim takes me. A month ago I didn't expect to learn how to do meta-analyses and run a DNB meta-analysis and 2 weeks ago I wasn't expecting to do an iodine meta-analysis either; the day before Kiba hired me to write a Silk Road article, I wasn't expecting that either...

Comment author: pnrjulius 09 June 2012 01:06:43AM 0 points [-]

There's also a competition effect here. With thousands of free blogs, people don't want to pay for yours or mine. They'll just navigate to someone else's, even if it isn't quite as brilliantly insightful.

Comment author: gwern 09 June 2012 01:31:23AM 4 points [-]

Indeed, that's a problem. I like to think my content is pretty unique - no other site is as good a resource on dual n-back, no other site is as good a resource on modafinil, etc. - but that doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy old world.

Comment author: shminux 09 June 2012 03:48:15AM 1 point [-]

A way to make real money is to sell to businesses. Do you have any content or service a 100+ person company might want?

Comment author: gwern 09 June 2012 04:05:04AM 1 point [-]

Not that I've thought of so far.

Comment author: Username 25 June 2012 02:05:03PM -1 points [-]

Well, you have the ability to write articles of exceptionally high quality. They are concise, easy to read, very thoroughly researched, and always offer paths to learn more or elaborate on points of interest.

These sorts of reports are highly valuable to companies and I think you would be incredibly valuable as a knowledge consultant. Think Lisbeth Salander for technical subjects.

Comment author: khafra 06 June 2012 06:09:17PM 5 points [-]

I do value your research and writings. I was thinking about offering to buy you a laptop because it sounded like you had an old POS that was hampering said research and writings, but then I decided that would be too weird.

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2012 06:14:42PM *  1 point [-]

I did have a POS, but in July 2010 I finally bit the bullet and bought a new Dell Studio 17 laptop that has since worked well for me. (The hard drive died a few months ago and I had to replace it, almost simultaneously with my external backup drive dying, which was very stressful, but Dell doesn't make the hard drives, so I write that off as an isolated incident.)

Comment author: khafra 06 June 2012 06:51:11PM 5 points [-]

Ah, then I only need to buy you a 2-year backblaze subscription, that's far cheaper.

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2012 07:03:53PM 0 points [-]

Backblaze sounds great, but they don't have a Linux client.

Comment author: khafra 06 June 2012 07:28:07PM 10 points [-]

tarsnap it is, then.

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2012 09:19:36PM 2 points [-]

Tarsnap is cool - I like Colin's blog and stuff like scrypt. (The latter was relevant to one of my crypto essays.)

Comment author: gwern 12 June 2012 12:13:34AM 6 points [-]

For the record: khafra actually did donate to me and wasn't just cheap signaling. Well done!

Comment author: wedrifid 12 June 2012 12:27:46AM 2 points [-]

Wow. Great stuff khafra. I hereby grant you some portion of the respect granted to gwern for his nootropics research!

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2012 07:30:25PM 1 point [-]

Crashplan does.

Comment author: alex_zag_al 08 June 2012 04:57:22PM 2 points [-]

I will sing the praises of git and vim, but I didn't pay any money for them. He says extract a commitment, not necessarily a monetary commitment; I read half a book before I started using git, and vim took a lot of practice. So you could use more specialized terminology or something like that. git and vim are both very well-spoken of, and I probably wouldn't have bothered to learn them if they weren't. But I also don't bother to spend money on things that don't have a good reputation, if I haven't had experience with them already. So, either way, requiring a commitment from the user turns away a lot of them.

(I've never read your website)

Comment author: private_messaging 09 June 2012 08:56:49AM *  -2 points [-]

Probably won't work very well. If you can program, you can make some money writing some useful software. You can write an app to make it easier for people to perform double blind experiments on their medications for example. People in general only pay for something they directly use.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 June 2012 10:45:00PM 6 points [-]

They do this partially because they misremember their own behavior

FFS, how can people misremember who they voted for in an election with only two plausible candidates?

Comment author: MinibearRex 08 June 2012 06:16:36AM 7 points [-]

A large number of them may have not voted at all, but remember themselves doing so.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 02:58:00PM 5 points [-]

I suspect, with no data to back me up, that is those who were ambivalent when they stepped into the polling booth that genuinely misremember. Others know they voted for the other guy, but want to be seen as one of the 'winners'.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 June 2012 04:35:41PM 7 points [-]

There are many U.S. elections I have voted in where there were two candidates for an office and I couldn't tell you which one I voted for. Admittedly, no cases involving Presidential candidates; I'm usually pretty sure who I'm voting for in those cases.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2012 07:49:42PM 3 points [-]

I suspect, with no data to back me up, that the latter class contains many more people than the former. (If I were that ambivalent, I wouldn't vote for either major candidate at random; I would either vote for a minor candidate, or not vote at all. But I guess not everybody is like me.)

Comment author: alex_zag_al 08 June 2012 05:01:30PM 2 points [-]

Or the survey he's referring to is biased. Seems hard for it not to be... did they knock on doors all across the country? If it's based on mail or telephone responses, are people who voted for Obama more likely to respond to those?

Or, he's misquoting the survey. If you were testing the hypothesis that people misremember voting for the winner, wouldn't you sample a smaller area than the whole country, and then compare your results with the vote count from that area? Why would an experiment like that ever get a number meant to be compared with the whole country's votes?

Comment author: Strange7 09 June 2012 01:46:10AM 2 points [-]

Wrong question. I'd say people who voted for the other guy remember, but aren't so eager to respond to surveys.