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Comment author: [deleted] 12 August 2012 08:28:44PM 1 point [-]

A way to tell an instantiated mathematical-structure-containing-sentient-beings from an uninstantiated one. (That doesn't sound very different from telling conscious beings from philosophical zombies to me.)

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 12 August 2012 09:53:21PM 4 points [-]

I don't know whether the concept of existence is meaningful. If it is, then something like the following should work:

To determine whether a mathematical structure M is instantiated, examine every thing that exists. If M is the structure of something that you examine, then M is instantiated. Otherwise, M is not instantiated.

Thus, whether the concept of existence is meaningful is the heart of the problem. I don't claim to know that this concept is meaningful. I claim only not to know that it is meaningless.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 August 2012 09:58:36PM 1 point [-]

I think it's more like there are several concepts which share the same label. If a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 12 August 2012 10:58:44PM *  3 points [-]

The tree in the forest is a case of various clear concepts (of sound) clearly implying different true answers.

The problem of Being is a problem of finding a clear concept that implies answers that many people find intuitively plausible.

It is more like the problem of being perfectly confident that various mathematical statements are true, while finding it very difficult to say just what it is that those statements are true about.