JulianMorrison comments on The Power of Reinforcement - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 21 June 2012 09:25:43AM 12 points [-]

Anecdotally, punishment seems to be a good guilt-releaser, while guilt is dysthymic. Punishment may be effective at snapping someone out of a blue funk and getting them to be responsive to rewards. Guilty people reject rewards. (The above may work better if you are kinked that way.)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 26 June 2012 09:19:56AM 1 point [-]

I'm curious about the anecdotes. I feel like I'm reading travellers' tales of the weird customs of a distant tribe.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 26 June 2012 08:27:24PM -1 points [-]

How about I direct you to this blog for a gentle introduction?

Comment author: arundelo 26 June 2012 09:51:01PM 1 point [-]

It's guessable from context, but an NSFW tag would probably be good here.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 26 June 2012 09:30:17PM 0 points [-]

Ah, that sort of thing. Ok, not so Martian after all.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 26 June 2012 09:36:06PM *  0 points [-]

Now you've made me curious what you thought it was.

Although to clarify, I meant that as generally as I said it. It applies in kink, and it applies out of kink. Kink just has the most readily accessible anecdotes.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 26 June 2012 10:22:44PM *  2 points [-]

Now you've made me curious what you thought it was.

I just found it opaque. The context you linked had not occurred to me. Still is, to some extent, despite having cough some slight familiarity with such things, but people's experiences and conceptualisations vary enormously.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 26 June 2012 01:18:51AM 0 points [-]

What about self punishment?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 26 June 2012 09:08:47AM 1 point [-]

What about self punishment?

Every time you do it, you condition yourself against doing it.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 26 June 2012 09:28:33PM 0 points [-]

If and only if it's negatively self reinforcing. Which it might not be, if it's serving some purpose.

Self-harm can help you to feel in control, and reduce uncomfortable feelings of tension and distress. If you feel guilty, it can be a way of punishing yourself and relieving your guilt. Either way, it can become a 'quick fix' for feeling bad.

-- http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/depression/self-harm.aspx