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96 Post author: lukeprog 21 June 2012 01:42PM

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Comment author: shminux 21 June 2012 10:06:59PM *  3 points [-]

Lessons learned:

  • continue to mentally /ignore people and posts I don't care for on IRC and online forums

  • never comment on bad posts or explain my downvote on LW

  • be more generous with upvoting good contributions and give a short praise when warranted.

Comment author: tgb 23 June 2012 01:44:32PM 5 points [-]

The difference between explaining bad posts and punishing misbehaving dolphins is that the explaining is done for the purpose of the other readers, not just as a punishment.

Comment author: Vaniver 22 June 2012 05:32:19AM 7 points [-]

never comment on bad posts or explain my downvote on LW

This is not quite justified; this is a post on how to use positive reinforcement, not how to use punishment.

Comment author: shminux 22 June 2012 06:02:39AM 1 point [-]

When a dolphin does something wrong, the trainer doesn't respond in any way.

(from the link)

Comment author: Vaniver 22 June 2012 06:30:12AM 3 points [-]

Dolphins are more difficult to punish usefully than humans; for one, they're less likely to understand English.

Moving to object-level advice: I agree that not responding to bad comments or posts is generally a good idea. I think that responding to downvote explanation requests is a good idea about half of the time. Unsolicited downvote explanation is typically done to sway bystander opinion as well as inform the poster, and so deserves its own treatment.

Comment author: dbaupp 22 June 2012 06:26:41AM 3 points [-]

never comment on bad posts or explain my downvote on LW

I think this should be "never downvote".

Comment author: Nornagest 22 June 2012 10:58:03PM *  2 points [-]

I think this should be "never downvote".

Seems to me that a downvote would associate negative valance with both the act of posting on LW and with whatever their specific mistake is, with the latter being stronger. So no vote and a comment with a mixture of praise and criticism is probably the stronger play if you're looking to improve someone's writing or fix some technical mistake while keeping them as a contributor, but a downvote is still effective if all you care about is seeing fewer posts of that kind.

Comment author: wedrifid 22 June 2012 07:54:39AM -1 points [-]

never comment on bad posts or explain my downvote on LW

I think this should be "never downvote".

That would be true if the point was actually about implementing the reinforcement ideal rather than using it to validate a premeditated ideal.