Jonathan_Graehl comments on The Power of Reinforcement - Less Wrong

96 Post author: lukeprog 21 June 2012 01:42PM

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Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 22 June 2012 11:17:27PM 0 points [-]

I think downvotes are generally useful to other readers (though it's odd that the parent suggestion has one as I type), but I agree that people should be protected from the discouraging effect of an early, single downvote. So, why not postpone displaying the negative score to the user for long enough for possible upvotes to counter? (I don't volunteer to implement this).

Comment author: TimS 22 June 2012 11:51:46PM 6 points [-]

The fact that reinforcement can be very effective in changing frequency of behavior doesn't say that punishment should never be used to change the frequency of behavior.

Reinforcement is useful for increasing frequency of behavior. When decreased frequency of behavior is desired, punishment is the type of intervention to use. (For applied behavior analysis, those are the definitions of reinforcement and punishment).

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 22 June 2012 11:56:21PM 2 points [-]

Sure. Although I wasn't clear about this, I had in mind the common case of a non-punishing downvoter who simply disagrees with the comment (or wants to see less of its ilk) without saying why. In case punishment is the desired effect, you're right - immediate is better.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 June 2012 02:58:38AM *  0 points [-]

When decreased frequency of behavior is desired, punishment is the type of intervention to use.

Either punishment or extinction (no punishment, no reward).

Comment author: TheOtherDave 23 June 2012 01:43:11AM 4 points [-]

Be aware that some people upvote comments "back to zero" that they wouldn't otherwise upvote. (Some other people consider this bad practice.)