pjeby comments on The Power of Reinforcement - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 24 June 2012 05:35:50AM 0 points [-]

This is really different -- changing your own mind is in no way similar to being open to someone else changing your mind, since somebody else trying to change your mind creates internal resistance in a way that changing your own mind does not.

Not only is it similar, the abilities in those areas are significantly correlated.

Comment author: pjeby 25 June 2012 01:35:57AM 1 point [-]

Not only is it similar, the abilities in those areas are significantly correlated.

In order to use that ability, you have to realize it needs to be used. If someone is setting out to change their own mind, then they have already realized the need. If someone is being offered advice by others, they may or may not realize there is anything to change their mind about. It is this latter skill (noticing that there's something to change your mind about) that I'm distinguishing from the skill of changing your mind. They are not at all similar, nor is there any particular reason for them to be correlated.

Comment author: Swimmer963 25 June 2012 02:13:06AM 1 point [-]

Really? You don't think the sort of person why tries harder than average to actually change their mind more often will also try harder than average to examine various issues that they should change their mind about?

Comment author: pjeby 25 June 2012 03:41:51PM 2 points [-]

Really? You don't think the sort of person why tries harder than average to actually change their mind more often will also try harder than average to examine various issues that they should change their mind about?

But that isn't the issue: it's noticing that there is something you need to examine in the first place, vs. just "knowing" that the other person is wrong.

Honestly, I don't think that the skill of being able to change your mind is all that difficult. The real test of skill is noticing that there's something to even consider changing your mind about in the first place. It's much easier to notice when other people need to do it. ;-)

Comment author: [deleted] 25 June 2012 03:11:29AM 0 points [-]

Inasmuch as internal reflective coherence, and a desire to self-modify (towards any goal) or even just the urge to signal that desire are not the same thing...yeah, it doesn't seem to follow that these two traits would necessarily correlate.