JGWeissman comments on Strategic research on AI risk - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JGWeissman 06 June 2012 05:40:45PM 9 points [-]

Norman Rasmussen's analysis of the safety of nuclear power plants, written before any nuclear accidents had occurred, correctly predicted several details of the Three Mile Island incident in ways that that previous experts had not (see McGrayne 2011, p. 180).

Is there any way that a policy maker could have known in advance to pay attention to Rasmussen rather than other experts? Is this a case of retroactively selecting the predictor who happened to be right out of a large group of varied, but roughly equally justified, predictors, or did Rasmussen use systematically better methods for making his predictions?

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 07 June 2012 03:45:25AM 5 points [-]

It's worth noting that stories of catastrophes that were successfully averted because someone listened to an expert may be hard to find.

Comment author: JGWeissman 07 June 2012 04:31:26AM 2 points [-]

If an expert tells you to add a safety mechanism, and you end up using that mechanism, you know that the expert helped you.

Comment author: ciphergoth 07 June 2012 07:14:30AM *  2 points [-]

Right, but the story won't be written up, or will be harder to find.

Comment author: thomblake 07 June 2012 03:42:29PM 0 points [-]

Or the expert caused you to waste money on a needless safety mechanism.

Comment author: JGWeissman 07 June 2012 03:53:57PM 1 point [-]

I mean a safety mechanism like a button that shuts down the assembly line. If someone gets caught in the machinery and you push the button to prevent them from getting (more) hurt, you will be happy the expert told you to install that button.

Comment author: thomblake 07 June 2012 03:59:22PM 1 point [-]

Aha. I was reading "use" as "install", not "activate during emergency". I agree.

Comment author: lukeprog 06 June 2012 06:27:51PM *  1 point [-]

Is there any way that a policy maker could have known in advance to pay attention to Rasmussen rather than other experts?

Yes. Rasmussen used Bayes, while everyone else used the methods of (1) Frequentism or (2) Experts Must Have Great Intuitions.

Comment author: JGWeissman 06 June 2012 07:09:08PM 14 points [-]

All else being equal, I would put more trust in the report that uses Bayesian statistics than a report that uses Frequentist statistics, but I wouldn't expect that strong an effect from that alone. (I would expect a strong increase in accuracy for using any kind of statistics over intuition.)

Following your link, I notice that Rasmussen's report used a fault tree. I would expect that the consideration of failure modes of each component of a nuclear reactor played a huge role in his accuracy, and that Bayesian and Frequentist statistics would largely agree how to get individual failure rates from historical data and how to synthesize this information into a failure rate for the whole reactor. Assuming the other experts did not also use fault trees, I would credit the fault trees more than Bayes for Rasmussen's success. (And if they did, I would wonder where they went wrong.)

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2012 07:09:57PM 2 points [-]

This is not a convincing argument to a policy maker.

Comment author: lukeprog 06 June 2012 07:13:47PM 6 points [-]

Definitely not!