tenlier comments on Have you changed your mind lately? On what? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 04 June 2012 09:54:11PM *  2 points [-]

I expected that my intuitive preference for any number of dust specks over torture would be easy to formalize without stretching it too far. Does not seem like it.

On the other hand, given the preference for realism over instrumentalism on this forum, I'm still waiting for a convincing (for an instrumentalist) argument for this preference.

Comment author: tenlier 05 June 2012 04:25:24AM 1 point [-]

Do you really have that preference?

For example, if every but one of trillions of humans was being tortured and had dust specks, would you feel like trading the torture-free human's freedom from torture for the removal of specks from the tortured. If that were so, then you just are showing a fairly usual preference (inequality is bad!) which is probably fine as an approximation of stuff you could formalize consequentially.

But that's just an example. Often there's some context in which your moral intuition is reversed, which is a useful probe.

(usual caveat: haven't read the sequences)

Topic for discussion: Less Wrongians are frequentists to a greater extent than most folk who are intuitively Bayesian. The phrase "I must update on" is half code for (p<0.05) and half signalling, since presumably you're "updating" a lot, just like regular humanssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Comment author: AspiringRationalist 05 June 2012 06:27:28AM 2 points [-]

Less Wrongians are frequentists to a greater extent than most folk who are intuitively Bayesian. The phrase "I must update on" is half code for (p<0.05) and half signalling, since presumably you're "updating" a lot, just like regular humans. When you consciously think "p<.05" do you really believe that the probability given the null hypothesis is less than 1/20, or are you just using a scientific-sounding way of saying "there's pretty good evidence"? Might this just be that people on LessWrong have (I'm assuming) nearly all studied frequentist statistics in the course of their schooling but most probably have not studied Bayesian statistics?

Comment author: lessdazed 05 June 2012 04:25:16PM *  0 points [-]

since presumably you're "updating" a lot, just like regular humans

It's a psychological trick to induce more updating than is normal. Normal human updating tends to be insufficient.