Was there any reason to think I didn't understand exactly what you said the first time? You agree with me and then restate. Fine, but pointless. Additionally, unimaginative re: potential value of torture. Defending lack of imagination in that statement by claiming torture defined in part by primary intent would be inconsistent.
The reason I thought you didn't understand what I was talking about was that I was calling on examples from day to day life, this is what I took "instrumentalist" to mean, and you starting talking about killing people, which is not an event from day to day life.
If you are interested in continuing this discussion (which if not I won't object) let's take this one step at a time; does that difference seem reasonable to you?
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