Wei_Dai comments on Open Problems Related to Solomonoff Induction - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 06 June 2012 02:15:46AM 3 points [-]

The idea is, however we define P, how can we be that sure that there isn't some kind of uncomputable physics that would allow someone to build a device that can find the lexicographically least object x such that P(x) < 1/3^^^3 and present it us?

Comment author: Kawoomba 07 June 2012 08:22:01PM 1 point [-]

Maybe we should just work off of the assumption that there's no relevant uncomputable physics, because if there were, we should probably give up our endeavors anyways, unless we knew how to model an uncomputable reality within a computable AGI-program. As Schmidhuber ever so aptly wrote on his homepage:

The distribution should at least be computable in the limit. That is, there should exist a program that takes as an input any beginning of the universe history as well as a next possible event, and produces an output converging on the conditional probability of the event. If there were no such program we could not even formally specify our universe, leave alone writing reasonable scientific papers about it.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 07 June 2012 09:09:58PM *  2 points [-]

unless we knew how to model an uncomputable reality within a computable AGI-program

You could start out by trying to understand how an AI might invent the concept of uncomputability, and how it might then proceed to the possibility of uncomputable physics. And one way to get started here is by thinking as a cognitive historian, and asking how humans came up with the concept of uncomputability.

Comment author: Manfred 06 June 2012 07:31:24PM *  1 point [-]

That gives you a probability inversely proportional to the integral of e^-(the description length) of each number from 0 to infinity. Complexity grows like log(n)-ish. It's an improper prior.

So I agree with Adele that this may be a modus tollens / modus ponens moment.

Comment author: skepsci 18 August 2013 04:56:25PM *  -1 points [-]

If there's some uncomputable physics that would allow someone to build such a device, we ought to redefine what we mean by computable to include whatever the device outputs. After all, said device falsifies the Church-Turing thesis, which forms the basis for our definition of "computable".