witzvo comments on Ask an experimental physicist - Less Wrong

35 Post author: RolfAndreassen 08 June 2012 11:43PM

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Comment author: witzvo 10 June 2012 05:01:55PM 1 point [-]

Indeed, your point is well taken; it is precisely this sort of argument that makes the MWI (sorry if you dislike the phrase!) attractive.

Yay! The rest of your argument seems sensible, but I'm too giddy to really understand it right now. I'll just ask this: can you point me to a technical paper (Arxiv is fine) where they explain, in detail, exactly how they get a certain electron "in a superposition of, say, spin-up and spin-down"?

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 10 June 2012 06:53:28PM 3 points [-]

Well, I don't know that I need to point you to arxiv, because I can describe the process in two sentences. Take a beam of electrons and pass it through a magnetic field which splits it into two beams, one going left and one going right. The ones which went left are spin-left, or to put it differently, they are spin-up with respect to the left-right axis; conversely the ones that went right have the opposite spin polarisation on that axis. Now rotate your axis ninety degrees; the electrons in both beams are in a perfect up-down superposition with respect to the new axis. If you rotate the axis less than ninety degrees you will get a different superposition.

Comment author: witzvo 10 June 2012 08:31:55PM *  1 point [-]

describe the process in two sentences.

Well, that's helpful, but of course, I don't know how you know that the electrons have such and such spin or what superposition has to do with anything. Neither could I reproduce the experiment (someone competent could, I'm sure). Maybe there was a first experiment where they did this and spin was discovered?

EDIT: anyway, I'm tapping out of here and will check out the sequences. Thanks All

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 10 June 2012 10:27:03PM 4 points [-]

I don't know how you know that the electrons have such and such spin

Electrons have both electric charge and spin (which is a form of angular momentum), and in combination, these two properties create an intrinsic magnetic moment. A magnetic field exerts torque on anything with a magnetic moment, which causes the electron to precess if it is subjected to such a field. Because spin is quantized and has only two possible values for electrons (+1/2 or -1/2), they will only precess in two discrete ways. This can be used to separate the electrons by their spin values. The first experiment to do this was the Stern-Gerlach experiment, a classic in the early development of QM, and often considered to be the discovery of spin.

Comment author: witzvo 10 June 2012 10:58:58PM 1 point [-]

Thanks.

Comment author: Alicorn 10 June 2012 07:20:42PM 0 points [-]

That was four sentences! D:

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 10 June 2012 07:39:16PM 2 points [-]

Four is equal-ish to two for large values of two, at least in the limit where four is small. Besides, the last sentence is a comment, not a description of the process, so it doesn't count. :)