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the most enduring group-member-name I can think of off the top of my head is "mason" -- can anyone think of better?
Now, masons don't actually cut rock. But it's a nice vivid handle anyway, so they use it.
So, in that vein, I'd like to promote the now-deleted suggestion "map-makers," or perhaps "cartographers"
College of Cartographers has a nice secret society ring to it. It's versatile as well. I can imagine it being applied to explorer-adventurers out to conquer terra incognita or a shadowy group governing the world.
That name is really, really, cool. The only thing that gives me pause is this: Would we regret a cool, secret society-sounding name? Defending an -ism sounds professional and serious. Would you really feel comfortable explaining to a complete stranger or a skeptical family member that you're part of a group called the College of Cartographers? And that this has nothing to do with actual maps. I take it we want a name with which to engage the rest of the world– not a name that best refers to a secret society of rationalists in a science fiction novel.
Still its a really cool name so if you want to start a secret society...
Some people have speculated that facetiously adopting cult features could help us ward off cultishness, but you're right that we don't want to advertise ourselves as that.
To quote our Master Cartographer:
From Roko's response
So as not to make this an a discussion via dueling quotations let me add something of my own. In addition to not attracting the most sober, rational folk we want to not alienate people who think themselves rational, sober minded people. Such people might not recognize the truth if it bit them on their behind. They'll pay attention to form more than content and they'll take a serious form to be a sign of serious content. The reason to care what they think is two fold. First, everyone has family like this and I think recruiting is probably easier when your group is respected and without stigma. Second, these people sometime guard gates to influence- school boards, university department heads, etc. So if you have an agenda for a rationalist-type education system, strange probably hurts. No?
I'm not so sure. Secret societies are considered strange right now, but the masons wielded power and influence for hundreds of years. It seems to me likely that secret societies aren't fashionable right now. And if we form an amazing, effective secret society, they could become fashionable. The question is, would the trappings of a rationalist conspiracy help or hurt us in the long run?
Of course, it would be a lot more fun to do it this way.
Entering rationalist porn territory- but one option would be doing both. You'd have a respectable, serious organization that conveyed legitimacy to certain important ideas that are advocated in public. But the organization would really be a front for the secret society of cartographers.
Of course, any society being discussed on a public web site isn't terribly secret...
Which is exactly what we'll point out when we're accused of being a front organization for some secret society: "Absolutely. Here's our website about it. Sorry, I'm all out of pamphlets summarizing our conspiracy, but I can get some to you tomorrow." :)
I've always enjoyed Lewis Carroll's talk of maps:
From Sylvie and Bruno Concluded by Lewis Carroll, first published in 1893.
So much for "the map is not the territory", I guess.
Only a single mile to the mile? I've seen maps in biology textbooks that were much larger than that.
Cool! I suggested Map Makers, but I like 'Something' of Cartographers better.
... Love the self-deprecating Lewis Carroll/Borges association with creating a map that looks just like reality (same scale, etc).
Cartography
-- the science or art of making maps (Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary)
A Cartographer is not just a Map Maker, but a Scientist and an Artist of Map Making.
Indeed, I would not have hit "Cartographers" if you hadn't suggested it.
Driving some days ago, I realized I had mixed up my cardinal directions. I'll need to completely remake my mental map of that part of the city, and that that will take some work because I am quite used to thinking of it the other way. I think this is nicely analogous to my experience with trying to be more rational: it's a willingness to amend the map, even though it requires some effort. The map wasn't so bad, but can be better.
Cartography seems to be about trivia, like Cyc. Doesn't seem to be the right connotation.
That reminds me of a scene from the Arrested Development pilot.