astray comments on The Craft and the Community - Less Wrong

27 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 April 2009 05:52PM

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Comment author: SirBacon 26 April 2009 08:03:33PM 9 points [-]

"...then there's the idea that rationalists should be able to (a) solve group coordination problems, (b) care a lot about other people and (c) win..."

Why should rationalists necessarily care a lot about other people? If we are to avoid circular altruism and the nefarious effects of other-optimizing, the best amount of caring might be less than "a lot."

Additionally, caring about other people in the sense of seeking emotional gratification primarily in tribe-like social rituals may be truly inimical to dedicating one's life to theoretical physics, math, or any other far-thinking discipline.

Caring about other people may entail involvement in politics, and local politics can be just as mind-killing as national politics.

Comment author: astray 28 April 2009 09:49:05PM *  1 point [-]

I don't think that b is necessarily an immediate entailment of rationality, but a condition that can be met simultaneously with a and c. The post presents a situation where c is satisficed only through a and b. (It does not take much finagling to suppose that a lonesome mountain man existence in a world ruled by barbarians is inferior in fuzziness and utilons relative to the expectation of the world where a b and c are held to be true.)