MinibearRex comments on Conspiracy Theories as Agency Fictions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 11 June 2012 09:34:37AM 6 points [-]

What would really be useful would be example of conspiracy theories that were accepted by a fringe group, rejected by the mainstream (for at least a decade, say), and ultimately found to be true. Maybe the COINTELPRO would qualify for this - were some of the targeted groups complaining about FBI targeting them?

Interesting edge case is the whole McCarthy stuff - he was right that there was a quite a bit of communist spying, but he appeared to have no evidence whatsoever for this (and his specific accusations were mostly random). Does accidentally being correct count? Or is this more another case of "reverse stupidity isn't intelligence"?

Comment author: MinibearRex 12 June 2012 07:09:46AM 0 points [-]

I'm pretty sure that McCarthy is an example of reverse stupidity. The Soviet Union had plenty of spies in America, just like we had spies in the Soviet Union, but my reading has mostly pointed me towards the hypothesis that McCarthy didn't have any special knowledge of who the Soviet spies were.

Comment author: teageegeepea 13 June 2012 05:26:32PM *  2 points [-]

McCarthy was being fed info from J. Edgar Hoover, who did have access to the Venona transcripts. I don't know if he was given the identities of known spies, but he was sent after Hoover's bureaucratic rivals.

Comment author: Multiheaded 12 June 2012 07:42:14AM 2 points [-]

McCarthy was not after spies as in "trained intelligence workers", he was trying to ferret out a certain subset of his political opponents, whose goals he imagined to be aligned with those of the USSR. Nowdays, of course, most people consider his activities to be anti-American.