CaveJohnson comments on Glenn Beck discusses the Singularity, cites SI researchers - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CaveJohnson 12 June 2012 08:24:24PM *  9 points [-]

People talking about how low status Glenn Beck is need to realize that numerically far more people take Glenn Beck seriously than Kurzweil. Just because the Brahmin (Moldbug's terminology) hate him, dosen't mean he isn't influential and popular in among the class of people who find themselves vulnerable to be mislead to react badly to the Singularity.

Comment author: Jack 12 June 2012 09:34:08PM *  11 points [-]

We realize that. We just care a lot more about the the views of the Brahmin than your second class of people. Which class of people has the larger microphone? Which class has the money? Which class produces mathematicians? Etc.

Comment author: CaveJohnson 13 June 2012 05:40:40AM 2 points [-]

We just care a lot more about the the views of the Brahmin than your second class of people.

Than you for catching the typo. Also I find it refreshingly honest that you acknowledge reality of this.

Which class of people has the larger microphone? Which class has the money?

Yes they by definition don't control the media or academia, their material resources aren't trivial but it is impossible for them to coordinate, since any organization they create to defend their interests will be subverted or marginalized.

Which class produces mathematicians?

The class produces its fair share of mathematicians. In absolute numbers I'd say more than the upper classes.

Comment author: Jack 13 June 2012 02:00:59PM *  4 points [-]

Than you for catching the typo. Also I find it refreshingly honest that you acknowledge reality of this.

I'm not sure the Moldbuggian taxonomy carves reality at the joints but I have no problem employing it as needed.

The class produces its fair share of mathematicians. In absolute numbers I'd say more than the upper classes.

I doubt it (IQ, heredity), unless you're including Asian immigrant populations. But in any case mathematicians usually spend a good amount of time in university which means, wherever they grew up, by the time they're looking for jobs they're usually firmly entrenched in a brahmin social circle.

Comment author: CaveJohnson 13 June 2012 03:02:43PM *  1 point [-]

Ah I fear I misunderstood you and took "produces" rather too literally. Don't forget that STEM fields are attractive to those who want to climb socially but lack the graces because of their upbringing.

Obviously they retain few of those who go to become mathematicians.

Comment author: Manfred 13 June 2012 02:39:40AM 1 point [-]

the Brahmin

I believe you mean "the Broheim."

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 14 June 2012 12:56:42AM *  0 points [-]

Which class of people has the larger microphone? Which class has the money?

Which class has any incentive to change the status quo? When planning what amounts to a massive reorganization of society, a.k.a., a revolution, you what the support of "the people" since the current upper class likes things the way they are.

Comment author: Jack 14 June 2012 01:26:45AM 0 points [-]

There may or may not be something here but Brahmin are mostly progressives trying to continue ongoing work reorganizing society while the second group (someone remind of what Moldbug calls white people who don't hate Glen Beck?), in so far as they are political, are reactionary and would prefer to return to how society used to be organized.

Comment author: MatthewB 09 August 2012 05:38:08AM 1 point [-]

Being influential is not necessarily a good thing.

Especially when Glenn Beck's influence is in delusional conspiracy theories, and evangelical christianity, and Young Earth Creationism.