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Comment author: Bakkot 14 June 2012 05:13:48PM 18 points [-]

You know, I would have assumed that they would have done experiments that would reveal the direction of correlation (in the obvious way, i.e., divide the subjects into groups and give each group feedback with varying amounts of positiveness then measure their performance).

But on actually checking that doesn't seem to have been the case at all. Their claims are primarily based on "a mathematical model of consciousness rooted in Boolean algebra", which instantly triggers the "you're doing it wrong" light in my head. (Read the paper yourself before judging, though.)

The linked paper also discusses several experiments, all of which took the form of checking for correlation between positivity and performance during and after the fact, rather than controlling one of those variables.

So you do appear to be correct in your criticism. I'm slightly scared for the state of psychology.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 14 June 2012 11:08:48PM *  1 point [-]

I'm slightly scared for the state of psychology.

And given Luke_A_Somers' and Eliezer's reactions, I'm more than slightly scared for the state of LessWrong. But maybe I missed something.

Comment author: Slackson 15 June 2012 12:41:31AM 1 point [-]

I think that Eliezer's reaction is more along the lines of "changing your behaviour when your beliefs change because of new evidence is a good thing!" rather than "this is definitely strong evidence of the given conclusion!"

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 June 2012 02:19:32AM 4 points [-]

If you believe that updating on new evidence to be virtuous, it's easy to fall into the trap of overdoing it without checking whether your new evidence is any good.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 16 June 2012 03:48:25AM 1 point [-]

And given LukeASomers' and Eliezer's reactions, I'm more than slightly scared for the state of LessWrong.

Not to mention the state of SIAI.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 16 June 2012 03:31:04PM 4 points [-]

Eliezer seriously needs a second LW account, so that he can say "Yay!" without increasing existential risk.

Comment author: Dorikka 20 June 2012 11:46:51PM 1 point [-]

Upon which I feel obligated to point out that the fact that he used his main account to say 'Yay' is only weak evidence against him already having a second account.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 15 February 2013 06:06:04PM 0 points [-]

Whee, I'm scary.

More seriously, when am I allowed to update?

  • It's highly consistent with my actual real life experience, but I hadn't noticed it before.
  • The Canadians weren't able to do a controlled experiment, but the results remain suggestive, because we know that the feedback was something that was changed in an intervention.

Just because something changed at the same time as you did something to change it isn't proof, but it is evidence.