army1987 comments on How confident is your atheism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: BlazeOrangeDeer 16 June 2012 07:17:31AM 7 points [-]

100% is not a probability. You're saying you're infinitely certain that yaweh doesn't exist, so much that your model literally can't handle the possibility and would divide by zero if it were actually true. You are literally unable to see potential evidence for yaweh and are operating on blind assumption. You need infinite evidence to get 100% certainty.

Comment author: dbaupp 16 June 2012 08:19:57AM *  0 points [-]

I think that this is actually possible, i.e. it is possible to state "Yahweh doesn't exist" with certainty: if Yahweh is internally mathematically inconsistent, i.e. Yahweh's existence would be a proof that 1 = 0.

However, there are probabilities involved in any assertion that Yahweh is inconsistent; unless you have a complete definition of Yahweh (e.g. highlighted phrases in a specific Bible) that involves something as clear as "Yahweh is green" and "Yahweh is not green", but there are the standard problems due to language being imperfect telepathy (etc) that make this unlikely to be possible.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 June 2012 04:41:27PM *  3 points [-]

Well, Eliezer Yudkowsky doesn't assign probability exactly 1 to 2 + 2 = 4 either, and whereas at first I thought that was nuts, this made me realize he does have a point (as I think any difference between “2 + 2 = 4” and “51 is prime” is only quantitative).

Comment author: khafra 22 June 2012 06:08:25PM 0 points [-]

I used to think this, then this paper that lukeprog linked, on logical uncertainty, gave me a coherent model that says otherwise. I'm still not sure which model I like better.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 June 2012 05:48:13PM 0 points [-]

Looks interesting. I'll have a read of it.