gwern comments on How confident is your atheism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 June 2012 05:30:52AM 21 points [-]

I am thiiiiiiiiis confident!

(Holds arms wide, then accepts any well-specified bet as if the actual probability of Christianity were zero, i.e., with betting prices corresponding to the probability of the specified evidence being observed, given the fixed assumption that Christianity is false.)

Comment author: Logos01 18 June 2012 01:30:47PM *  2 points [-]

I am thiiiiiiiiis confident!

I'm surprised to see this dialogue make so little mention of the material evidence* at hand with regards to the specific claims of Christianity. I mean; a god which was omnipotent and omnibenevolent would surely create a world with less suffering for humanity than what we conjecture an FAI would orchestrate, yes? Color me old-fashioned but I assign the logically** impossible a zero probability (barring of course my being mistaken about logical impossibilities).

* s/s//
** s/v/c/

Comment author: gwern 18 June 2012 03:54:07PM *  4 points [-]

See Plantinga's free will defense for human and the variant for natural evils; it defuses the logical argument from evil. (Of course it does this by postulating 'free will', whatever that is, but I don't think free will is nearly as clear cut a p=~0 as the existence of evils...)

Comment author: Logos01 19 June 2012 12:12:32PM 3 points [-]

I don't buy it. A superhuman intelligence with unlimited power and infinite planning time and resources could create a world without suffering even without violating free will. And yet we have cancer and people raping children.

Comment author: gwern 19 June 2012 01:33:30PM 3 points [-]

A superhuman intelligence with unlimited power and infinite planning time and resources could create a world without suffering even without violating free will.

Oh, it did try. Unfortunately, Adam exercised his free will in the wrong way. Better luck next universe.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 26 June 2012 08:10:31AM 3 points [-]

Perhaps betting huge amounts of other people's suffering on Adam's ability to resist eating an apple was a really stupid idea.

Comment author: Logos01 20 June 2012 07:22:41PM -1 points [-]

"If it weren't for my horse, I never would've graduated college." >_<