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Well, I guess if people wouldn't find any value in this way of speaking, it wouldn't be so popular. And yes, passion and strength are attractive. But a wrong context can ruin anything; and this context is very repulsive to me.
When I say I value truth-seeking, I usually feel like a hypocrite. After reading this article, I don't. My bubble was broken, and the resulting shock recalibrated my scales. Raising the sanity waterline became a near-mode value again.
See! Aggression brings conflict, conflict brings division, division brings honesty, honesty brings self-actualization! The Code of the Sith is right!
Of course, human intelligence evolved largely to win arguments, thus we think up our best arguments while engaging in mind-killing debate, sort of like Kafers but without the need for physical violence.
Also, this Orwell quote.
Are you sure you aren't just a right wing person hiding in the closet? (^_^)
I did say around here that I'm a little bit of a fascist. My ethics are really contradictory. Although if you think that all socialists are really as toothless and compromise-loving as modern social democrats ("Liberals", as Americans call them), you'd be surprised.
Being human is tough, my sympathy module sympathizes.
The funny thing is, I don't even feel bad about that. It's just like becoming bored with useful activities, a psychological given.
I haven't heard of many socialist utopia's that included aggression, conflict and division. Maybe it can bring about self-actualization without conflict, thought that makes a dull story and remember humans love stories, especially about themselves. I think it was Orwell who pointed out that a Socialist utopia as normally imagined would overall be a pretty boring place to live.
Which is funny in a way, since the ideology of class struggle itself is far more inspiring that the ends the ideology seeks.
That's because the wiser socialists, like Orwell himself, are aware that they aren't wise enough for a consistent description of their utopia - like Eliezer is aware that he wouldn't be able to describe precisely how society could work post-Singularity.
One possible left-wing utopia with conflict is just the Matrix running a massively multiplayer action/strategy game - with a global lobby/chat and economy organized.on socialist principles. This description makes some sense only because it's a cop-out; in a virtual world we can resolve our nature's inconsistencies without affecting real others, so this is just a milder form of wireheading. If you're pissed about your guild's high taxes, just take over a bot guild, murder a bot CEO in visceral detail and get high on fake power. Presumably you could also gank real people, but this would drive your taxes sky-high to do something nice, like paying for noobs' personalized education and counselling.
I don't know exactly what I want, but goddamit I'm going to get it!
Arguably the essence of heroic man.
Also a good way to build an Unfriendly AI.
Or an Unfriendly political regime.
Oh I agree. However it matches the advancement of the hero in myths, it is psychologically appealing and works well as a story.
Yup.
Dear downvoters, in order to help me optimize my writing, please take care to explain your reasons for every downvoted comment. Thank you. (This one looks particularly innocent and non-inflammatory to me.)
I'm pretty confident your comments in this thread are getting downvoted on the merits of the original comment, not on the merits of each individual subsequent comment. Happens to me all the time, but most of the time the trend reverses after a day or two.
That was my implication, yeah; getting karmassassinated is more unpleasant than just getting a slap for an isolated stupid comment.