RomeoStevens comments on Thwarting a Catholic conversion? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: fubarobfusco 18 June 2012 08:49:30PM 10 points [-]

I must confess that, as an outsider to (but occasional reader of) Less Wrong, I find certain statements and arguments on this site to be just as totalizing and dogmatic as the most dangerous religious fundamentalism.

That seems like a surprising claim! I'd like to explore it further.

The most dangerous religious fundamentalisms lead people to do things such as blowing up buildings, committing mass murders, jailing and torturing people for apostasy, and throwing acid in the faces of schoolchildren. This occurs both when dangerous religious fundamentalists occupy positions of formal political power (governments), and when they do not (terrorist groups, militias, abortion-clinic bombers).

(Note, I'm not asserting that religions or fundamentalisms in general promote those sorts of things. You specifically said "the most dangerous religious fundamentalism", and I'm taking that limitation in good faith.)

Somehow, nobody around here seems to be doing those sort of things. Indeed, that sort of behavior seems to be pretty rare in the Traditional Rationality community too — the skeptics movement; the New Atheists; etc.

Is that just because we are totalizing and dogmatic about making people happy instead of about hating and killing them? (I am reminded of a Barry Goldwater quote about extremism and moderation.)

Or do you think there is some other reason?

Comment author: RomeoStevens 19 June 2012 12:08:06AM 1 point [-]

Hypothesis: religions not predicated on "specialness" will not generate dangerous fundamentalism.

If I believe I am average or not special in any way, then I want to work towards futures in which people who are average get goodies.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 June 2012 12:11:16AM 7 points [-]

If I believe I am average or not special in any way, then I want to work towards futures in which people who are average get goodies.

Let's start by killing the people who are special and taking their goodies. ;)

Comment author: RomeoStevens 19 June 2012 12:46:14AM 0 points [-]

better dead than red.

Comment author: Multiheaded 19 June 2012 11:53:37AM *  -2 points [-]

They're dead, we're red! (Until someone makes us prove that we're not special ourselves, that is...)