MixedNuts comments on Rationality Quotes July 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MixedNuts 04 July 2012 01:17:11AM 7 points [-]

It's strange that we have many phrases like "on the one/other hand", "pros and cons", and "both sides of the story", then.

Comment author: ScottMessick 04 July 2012 05:50:09PM 6 points [-]

These phrases are mainly used in near mode, or when trying to induce near mode. The phenomenon described in the quote is a feature (or bug) of far mode.

Comment author: Fyrius 04 July 2012 09:30:01AM *  6 points [-]

Not wanting to take a principle to heart is not the same thing as denying that's the way things work, though. I think most people acknowledge (or at least give lip service) that being able to be objective is virtuous and often important. Even the ones who are rubbish at actually being so in real life.

And of course it's entirely possible to be blatantly one-sided about capital punishment, but still want to hear both sides of the story when your kids are having an argument.

And of course it's also entirely possible to realise you should be objective, even if that's more difficult and disturbing and less satisfying. You can just grit your teeth and tell your need for one-sidedness to shut up and let you think properly.

Comment author: MixedNuts 04 July 2012 09:44:41AM 2 points [-]

True, though we're still treating objectivity as fairness in arguments rather than even-handedness in truth inquiries. All these phrases refer to two sides, not more.

Comment author: AspiringRationalist 04 July 2012 10:54:15PM 0 points [-]

And of course it's entirely possible to be blatantly one-sided about capital punishment, but still want to hear both sides of the story when your kids are having an argument.

Because in an argument between their kids, people haven't already made up their minds.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 July 2012 05:04:47AM *  1 point [-]

It's strange that we have many phrases like "on the one/other hand", "pros and cons", and "both sides of the story", then.

No, those phrases exist to help patch the flaw in human reasoning the parent describes. In fact it would be strange that we had those phrases and the corresponding flaw didn't exist.