matabele comments on Rationality Quotes July 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 10:55:17AM 0 points [-]

If you wish to advance into the infinite, explore the finite in all directions.

-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 02:35:11PM *  5 points [-]

If you wish to advance into the infinite, explore the finite in all directions.

That sounds incredibly deep. (By which I mean it is bullshit.)

Comment author: olalonde 28 July 2012 06:20:08AM 5 points [-]

For some reason, this thread reminds me of this Simpsons quote:

"The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies, and in the end, isn't that the real truth?"

Comment author: TheOtherDave 27 July 2012 05:42:51PM 4 points [-]

Upvoted for correct usage of a technical term. :-)

Comment author: wedrifid 28 July 2012 06:07:45AM 0 points [-]

Upvoted for correct usage of a technical term.

My favourite technical term out of all the technical terms!

Comment author: Incorrect 27 July 2012 02:53:34PM 2 points [-]

I think it is intended to mean "If you want to accomplish impractical things, work on practical subtasks."

I don't see what's wrong with that.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 03:14:22PM 4 points [-]

I think it is intended to mean "If you want to accomplish impractical things, work on practical subtasks."

That's an excellent quote. Let's find an impressive external source who says that and quote them!

Comment author: TheOtherDave 27 July 2012 05:42:02PM 5 points [-]

Or, failing that, pick an impressive external source and ask them to write back to you saying that, so you can subsequently quote it attributed to "Impressive Source (private communication)"

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 06:31:29PM 2 points [-]

Or, failing that, pick an impressive external source and ask them to write back to you saying that, so you can subsequently quote it attributed to "Impressive Source (private communication)"

Excellent idea. I used to do this on certain assignments at times.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 July 2012 06:22:15PM 0 points [-]

As a variant: Introduce some freeloader code in Watson to have it randomly blurt out quotes from a list of quotations sent to a specific email address each time it appears in public.

This gives you both the Impressive Source criterion and a public statement of the quote.

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 03:21:38PM *  -1 points [-]

Not necessarily deep; a couple of concrete interpretations:

'Do not let what you can not do, interfere with what you can do;' and 'If you wish to discover the unknown, begin by exploring what is known.'

There is often much hidden wisdom in interpretation of aphorisms, which perhaps explains my preference for the poetic turn of phrase.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 03:38:22PM 5 points [-]

There is often much hidden wisdom

No, there are intentionally vague deep sounding comments to which wisdom can be associated. You've just given multiple meanings to the same words. Those other meanings may be useful but the words themselves are nonsense.

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 04:11:02PM -1 points [-]

... intentionally vague deep sounding ... (symbols) ... to which wisdom can be associated. You've just given multiple meanings to the same ... (symbols) ... Those other meanings may be useful but the ... (symbols) ... themselves are nonsense.

That pretty much describes any proposition. If you wish, substitute the word 'noise' for the word 'symbol, then the paragraph describes an utterance.

There is a good resource on semiotics here.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 04:15:36PM 1 point [-]

That pretty much describes any proposition.

No it doesn't. Not all propositions are intentionally vague and deep sounding.

If you wish, substitute the word 'noise' for the word 'symbol

Were I inclined to substitute in 'noise' it would be as a contrast to 'signal'.

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 04:46:38PM 1 point [-]

Men show their characters in nothing more clearly than in what they think laughable.

-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Comment author: wedrifid 27 July 2012 04:48:58PM *  1 point [-]

This is an excellent quote and belongs at the top level.

(I downvoted it here because the point you are trying to make by replying with it is approximately backwards. An intended insult which would make more sense as a compliment.)

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 05:26:03PM *  -2 points [-]

And there you have it: symbols (or strings of symbols) have different sense in different contexts.

One of the contexts in which I found this aphorism insightful, was in certain interpretations of quantum physics.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 08:24:13AM *  -2 points [-]