shokwave comments on Real World Solutions to Prisoners' Dilemmas - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 03 July 2012 01:26:46PM 3 points [-]

No, it's a game of Chicken.

It's not a Prisoner's Dilemma because when the government pays, the terrorists gain no extra value from killing a hostage.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 03 July 2012 06:33:44PM 2 points [-]

Also, if the government cooperates, that will encourage other terrorists to take more hostages later on, making the CC payoff unsymmetrical.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 July 2012 07:23:09PM 1 point [-]

Also, if the government cooperates, that will encourage other terrorists to take more hostages later on, making the CC payoff unsymmetrical.

I'm actually curious as to whether this has been studied in practice. This is the kind of thing I expect people with big egos to do regardless of whether the actual expected value is positive.

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 03 July 2012 01:35:50PM *  1 point [-]

It's not Chicken either, because of the reason you just gave.

Edit: Seeing how this post got downvoted with no reply being posted, I have to assume it was someone who doesn't know much about game theory, so let me explain:

If the terrorists gain no extra value from killing a hostage if the government pays, then DC > CC is false for the terrorist side; however both PD and Chicken are symmetrical problems that require DC > CC to be true for all sides. Therefore, this problem is neither PD nor Chicken.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 July 2012 01:32:17PM 0 points [-]

It's not a Prisoner's Dilemma because when the government pays, the terrorists gain no extra value from killing a hostage.

But the hostages are (presumably) infidels or something enemy-like.

Comment author: Andreas_Giger 03 July 2012 01:52:12PM 1 point [-]

Yes, in that case it would actually be PD.