CronoDAS comments on Negative and Positive Selection - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CronoDAS 06 July 2012 05:13:22PM 1 point [-]

my new level of skill is just enough to start noticing that Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett are doing things way the hell above me.

I once got this feeling reading Stephen R. Donaldson's The Runes of the Earth - that this was a level of writing that was way beyond what I could see myself reaching. Oddly, I didn't get this feeling when reading Terry Pratchett, even though I still think that Terry Pratchett is probably a better writer than, say, Shakespeare.

And I don't know what people see in American Gods - I've read over one hundred books I think were better. And I mean that literally; if I spent a day doing it, I could actually go through my bookshelves and write down a list of one hundred and one books I liked more. I couldn't do that for most of Terry Pratchett's novels.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 July 2012 08:06:04PM 1 point [-]

I also tried American Gods for a while and found that its charm was mostly lost on me - maybe I didn't get far enough in. Good Omens, on the other hand...

Understand, I always knew that Good Omens was a great book and that I wasn't yet writing that well; it's only now that I'm staring at a Neil Gaiman short story, thinking, "I can tell that he's doing something outstandingly right here that I'm not doing, but it's hard to say exactly what..."

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 July 2012 01:02:50PM 1 point [-]

Gaiman frequently doesn't grab me, though I think "A Study in Emerald" is brilliant.

I wish American Gods had been written by someone who understood and liked America better. Why was the computer god a marketing monster rather than a programmer? Or a computer? And I know it's not fair to blame a writer for not writing a different book, but I'd like to see a version of the idea with the guts to engage with actual American religions.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 July 2012 08:58:12PM 1 point [-]

American Gods is pretty evenly written; if it didn't grab you in the first fifty pages or so it was probably never going to. (I say this as someone who fell in love with it and considers it among my favorite of his work.)

Comment author: CronoDAS 07 July 2012 12:14:05AM 1 point [-]

I blame the SeinfeldIsUnfunny effect. I've seen GodsNeedPrayerBadly done so many other times that it seemed like a cliche.

Comment author: Desrtopa 07 July 2012 03:02:36AM 1 point [-]

Personally, I disliked that trope even before I'd seen it enough times for it to seem cliche, but I count American Gods among my favorites of Gaiman's work in spite of it.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 July 2012 01:12:47AM 0 points [-]

Perhaps. It was far from being my introduction to that trope, but I found it worth reading for something other than the originality of that particular idea. Still, different people like different things in their art.

Comment author: Alicorn 06 July 2012 05:34:50PM 1 point [-]

Oddly, I don't like Gaiman much at all on his own, and I don't like large doses of Pratchett either, but I loved Good Omens - they balanced each other's weaknesses.

Comment author: MBlume 06 July 2012 08:01:13PM 3 points [-]

they balanced each other's weaknesses.

Not at all like this

Comment author: [deleted] 09 July 2012 07:45:28AM 0 points [-]

Oh wow, I have the exact opposite reaction; I love both Gaiman and Pratchett separately, but dislike Good Omens-- they undercut each other's strengths.

I tend to describe it as: "They have a similar worldview, but Gaiman is dark, whereas Pratchett is light. When you put them together the result is a rather bland gray."

Comment author: randallsquared 16 July 2012 02:13:09PM 0 points [-]

I've read over one hundred books I think were better. And I mean that literally; if I spent a day doing it, I could actually go through my bookshelves and write down a list of one hundred and one books I liked more.

I've read many, many books I liked more than many books which I would consider "better" in a general sense. From the context of the discussion, I'd think "were better" was the meaning you meant. Alternatively, maybe you don't experience such a discrepancy between what you like and what you believe is "good writing"?

Comment author: CronoDAS 16 July 2012 10:46:16PM 1 point [-]

A book can be well written and still be bad because of other flaws. Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter was very well written in a technical sense, but the story itself was boring as hell and Hawthorne's skill couldn't save it.