Viliam_Bur comments on Negative and Positive Selection - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 07 July 2012 04:08:00PM *  0 points [-]

But on the opposite side of the spectrum is saying: "Everyone is so smart because they can read and write, and thousand years ago most people couldn't do this!" (Strawman example, I know.)

Generally I would prefer to have a list (tree, directed acyclic graph...?) of all human knowledge, and give everyone a report saying: "This person understands these parts." But over time, the list/tree is growing. Of course it is OK to know a smaller part of total human knowledge, because the population is growing; but still, you need to know more than your ancestors (if your computer skills are the same as your grandma's, then she is a hero and you are a loser); on the other hand some knowledge becomes obsolete.

I think a percentile across the whole country would be a good measure for comparing individual students or schools. And it would be nice to also calculate long-term changes to know whether the country as a whole is improving.

Comment author: DavidAgain 12 July 2012 06:26:34AM 1 point [-]

Of course, you could show percentage scores in the tests rather than where you sit in the country. That means that it should be consistent over time, although I agree that in a decent sized national subject it's probably fine the other way.

My main objection to giving percentiles relates to the OP's concern that there's no such thing as a 'very good' A, At least with UK school exams, I think that getting 100% in most subjects tests for conscientiousness and not making silly errors at best and being well-trained in the exam system at worst. I am pretty sure that if percentages were public I'd have had to get better marks to get into uni, but also that in making sure I did so I would not have been using my time usefully.

What I think would be far preferable to a 'who managed not to screw up a single question' model of getting better than an A would be an extension paper that was genuinely challenging and couldn't be straightforwardly taught.

Comment author: MixedNuts 08 July 2012 09:43:25AM 0 points [-]

Boy, are you setting a high bar for Erna Hoover's grandkids.