Oso_42 comments on Morality open thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 09 July 2012 10:49:07AM 4 points [-]

The other day, I forgot my eyeglasses at home and while walking I got a good sized piece of dust or dirt lodged in my eye. My eye was incapacitated for the better part of a minute until tears washed it out. I had a bit of an epiphany: 3^^^3 dust specks suddenly seems a lot scarier, something you obviously need to agregate and assign a monstrous pile of disutility to. So Basically I have updated my position on torture vs specks.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 11 July 2012 12:20:34PM *  5 points [-]

Alternative explanation is that you now have "dust speck" in near mode, and "torture" in far mode.

I am curious whether 50 years of torture would make you update in the other direction... :P

Comment author: Emile 09 July 2012 04:12:44PM 4 points [-]

The way I phrase it is, do I prefer a one-in-3^^^3 chance of 50 years of torture, or a sure chance of a dust speck in the eye? If a Fairy came by and offered you a magical protection against dust speck, but each dustspeck warded (provided it would have been large enough to be noticeable) has a 1-in-3^^^3 chance of sending you to the torture chamber - would you accept the fairy's offer?

Note that a one-in-3^^^3 scenario is less likely than Barack Obama kicking down my door and declaring his undying love for me, so probably deserves as much attention.

Comment author: Larks 15 September 2012 12:27:49AM 1 point [-]

Note that a one-in-3^^^3 scenario is less likely than Barack Obama kicking down my door and declaring his undying love for me, so probably deserves as much attention.

It deserves much less attention!

3^^^3 times less attention.

Comment author: gjm 09 July 2012 02:44:33PM 3 points [-]

Then you may have misunderstood or misremembered the problem statement. From the original article:

What's the least bad, bad thing that can happen? Well, suppose a dust speck floated into your eye and irritated it just a little, for a fraction of a second, barely enough to make you notice before you blink and wipe away the dust speck.

So we're not talking here about something that incapacitates the victim's eye for the better part of a minute.

(I don't know that you mis{understood,remembered} the problem statement. Maybe you had a Nasty Dust Speck experience and this made you update your position on Minimal Dust Speck experiences.)

Comment author: [deleted] 09 July 2012 08:58:59PM 0 points [-]

Yeah I forgot about that detail. My position update stands, for as long as it still represents an amount of disutility, the size can't matter in the final count. My right brain still doesn't like it though.