Eugine_Nier comments on Cultural norms in choice of mate - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MixedNuts 10 July 2012 09:26:06AM 2 points [-]

Puberty occurs much earlier in modern societies. Recently postpubescent girls and boys are children, and most people are turned off by the personalities of children (which of course makes evolutionary sense, as well as cultural sense in most societies). The age group you're thinking of is closer to 18 than to 15.

We have relatively gender-egalitarian norms now. In societies when older men are encouraged to date young women (and/or young men) the relationship is very asymmetric. We like having power-equal relationships, because we think it more moral, because we encourage sexual partners to be companions and friends rather than sticking to separate social spheres, and because it has become more valuable to have a partner who can help you socially and earn money than to have a fertile one.

Older women's interest would be to encourage woman-boy relationships rather than discourage man-girl ones.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 July 2012 07:15:39AM 2 points [-]

Puberty occurs much earlier in modern societies.

Relative to Victorian/Industrial age societies yes. If you compare it to pre-industrial societies it seems that the age of puberty is returning to its historical norm after a couple centuries of being unusually high.

Recently postpubescent girls and boys are children, and most people are turned off by the personalities of children (which of course makes evolutionary sense, as well as cultural sense in most societies). The age group you're thinking of is closer to 18 than to 15.

Which raises the question of why in modern societies 15-year-olds have childlike personalities. For example, in Jewish society children were traditionally considered adults at 13.

Comment author: CronoDAS 12 July 2012 06:29:14AM 3 points [-]

Which raises the question of why in modern societies 15-year-olds have childlike personalities. For example, in Jewish society children were traditionally considered adults at 13.

Blame the Industrial Revolution. Adults went to work, and children went to school, which, unlike biological childhood, doesn't end when people reach sexual maturity.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 July 2012 05:46:49AM 1 point [-]

Yeh, that's more-or-less my working theory as well.