PhilGoetz comments on Epistemic vs. Instrumental Rationality: Approximations - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 29 April 2009 11:56:42PM *  0 points [-]

I say this with trepidation, since Peter and Eliezer have both already read this, but...

As an epistemic rationalist, I would say that 1/2 is a better approximation than 0, because the Kullback-Leibler Divergence is (about) 1 bit for the former, and infinity for the latter.

(If the probability distribution peaked at 1/2, it would be not-completely-unreasonable to use a flat distribution, and express a probability as a fixed-point number between 0 and 1. In that case, it would take 60 bits to express 10^-18. With floating point, you'd get a good approximation with 7 bits.)

But you're not really making a fair comparison. You're comparing "probability distribution centered on 1/2" with "0, no probability distribution". If the "centered on 0" choice doesn't get to have a distribution, neither should the "centered on 1/2" choice. Then both give you a divergence of infinity.

The KL-divergence comparison assumes use of a probability distribution. The probability distribution that peaks at zero is going to be able to represent 1E-18 with many fewer bits than the one that peaks at 1/2. So zero wins in both cases, and there is no demonstrated conflict between epistemic and instrumental rationality.

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 30 April 2009 12:39:39PM 0 points [-]

I was talking about a discrete probability distribution over two possible states: {meteorite, no meteorite}. You seem to be talking about something else.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 30 April 2009 03:32:27PM *  0 points [-]

Okay. I thought you were talking about real-valued probability distributions from 0 to 1. But I don't know if you can claim to draw significant conclusions about epistemic rationality from using the wrong type of probability distribution.

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 30 April 2009 04:11:51PM 0 points [-]

What do you mean by "the wrong type of probability distribution"?