Nick_Tarleton comments on The Problem Of Apostasy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Grognor 19 July 2012 10:29:06PM *  5 points [-]

So, let's take this hypothetical (harrumph) youth. They see irrationality around them, obvious and immense, they see the waste and the pain it causes. They'd like to do something about it. How would you advise them to go about it?

Donate to CFAR. There's no good reason to demand a local increase in rationality.

[...]should we try to distance ourselves from atheism and anti-religiousness as such? Is this baggage too inconvenient, or is it too much a part of what we stand for?

We don't stand for atheism; we stand by atheism, prepared to walk away at any time should the proper evidence come about. (Of course, it won't.) In any case I think we should talk about atheism less because it is preaching to the choir and because the psychological principle of social proof makes people update on "a bunch of rationalists have all decided there's no god!" which is double-counting evidence.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 19 July 2012 10:32:01PM 3 points [-]

Donate to CFAR. There's no good reason to demand a local increase in rationality.

People with a desire to improve things generally have a very strong desire to spend some of that effort contributing to and seeing local improvements.

Comment author: Grognor 19 July 2012 10:33:03PM 2 points [-]

Do you see that as a good thing?

Comment author: Raw_Power 21 July 2012 11:15:49PM 2 points [-]

Seeing improvements in ways that are immediately tabgible is very encouraging and motivating.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 20 July 2012 06:15:55PM *  2 points [-]

I see it as a true thing, and thus something to cooperate with. Normatively, I see it as instrumentally bad, but related to something I want to protect.

Comment author: Grognor 05 August 2012 11:11:18PM 0 points [-]

Perhaps it was imprudent, but I assumed that someone trying to promote rationality would herself be rational enough to overcome this parochialism bias.