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Try to, yes, but what's your estimation of their effectiveness in this regard?
To me it seems they can only rescue people from their local laws by making individual cases international celebrities, but this naturally limits the number of people they can rescue to the order of tens a year worldwide, which isn't worth much.
For what it's worth, Torture and Democracy has it that international surveillance has led to the development of no-marks torture. This seems like a real but modest victory.
Other than that, I don't have a strong opinion. I think that anything which works to convince governments that they don't have absolute ownership of "their" citizens helps.
No marks torture may be somewhat more expensive to research and apply. I doubt that it is expirentially better for the person tortured, or that the requirement reduces the amount of torture done. It is better if tortured people retain intact bodies, but probably only if they then have a higher chance of being set free, and I'm not sure that is the case.
The research on no marks torture has been done, so that's a sunk cost. I'm not sure about an effect on the chances of being set free.
There's a non-obvious cost to no marks torture-- it's confusing. Someone who's been subject to it can be unsure that they were actually tortured, and the same goes for compatriots who are suspect they've been betrayed for no good reason.
Torture and Democracy is interesting but somewhat overwhelming. I got bogged down in the section on the development and spread of torture by electricity. I should probably just skip that section.
You mean in terms of Body Horror?
I don't know what you mean.
I thought it got too ugly for you and you just gave up in disgust at the senseless brutality.
The ugliness (there was a fair amount about the sort of torture which mutilates as well as no marks torture) was definitely a factor, but throwing in a lot of boring detail was the deciding factor.