William comments on Generalizing From One Example - Less Wrong

259 Post author: Yvain 28 April 2009 10:00PM

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Comment author: pjeby 29 April 2009 03:23:23PM *  12 points [-]

Men who are introverted, sensitive, and Agreeable often make this complaint, yet they tend to perceive men without those qualities as "jerks."

The PUA community also notes that many of the men who make this complaint are in fact passive-aggressively misogynistic and/or fearful of women, and that they need to get over it.

That is, some men who have "nice" behaviors towards women do so because they are enacting a one-sided bargain, expecting to trade these behaviors in exchange for being accepted and not rejected, then become angry when the "bargain" isn't kept.

IOW, being "nice" can be just as manipulative for the typical AFC, as anything the PUAs are going to teach him. And many of the things they'll teach him will be far less manipulative and deceitful than what he was already doing, despite being less socially acceptable than being "nice".

Comment author: William 30 April 2009 08:03:56PM 1 point [-]

I know that PUA is "pickup artist" but what is AFC?

Comment author: mattnewport 30 April 2009 08:14:13PM 5 points [-]

'Average Frustrated Chump' - your typical guy who's not a natural and hasn't got any game.