fubarobfusco comments on Leaps of faith in college selection - Less Wrong

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Comment author: fubarobfusco 26 July 2012 08:48:17AM 9 points [-]

if you're smart and dedicated you can get a good job which will allow you to quickly pay back loans

That's the sales pitch for loans, of course — with the implication that only stupid and lazy people have trouble paying them back.

Comment author: lincolnquirk 28 July 2012 01:48:34AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, I'm updating on this a little bit, but I'm still not fully convinced -- do you have some good examples of people who are clearly not stupid or lazy who regret taking out loans to go to a better school?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 28 July 2012 06:30:37AM 0 points [-]

Specific examples? No, I'm not in the habit of inquiring after my acquaintances' finances.

But here's a thought-experiment: Suppose you take out loans to pursue a field that experiences a turndown or bubble burst — such that before you pay off your loans, there are substantially fewer jobs available in the field than qualified entrants.

It is easy to declare that anyone who can't find a job is thereby shown to be stupid and lazy. However, this ultimately forms a goalpost-moving or "No True Scotsman" argument; the weirdness of which is shown by the fact that it sets different standards for "stupid and lazy" in different fields, depending on a fact not under the control of the supposedly stupid-and-lazy person — namely the number of available jobs in that field.