gwern comments on AI cooperation is already studied in academia as "program equilibrium" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: cousin_it 30 July 2012 04:32:14PM *  3 points [-]

Academia is terrible at marketing

Good point, I'll keep it in mind.

Can you give some examples of your recent realizations like that? ETA: oh wait, maybe you meant other people's realizations, in which case never mind.

Comment author: gwern 30 July 2012 04:50:24PM *  11 points [-]

Actually, I had one just last night. I was starting an anthology on Buddhist philosophy (Empty Words) which I had downloaded from library.nu, and the very first essay was arguing that Nagarjuna's Verses on the Heart of the Middle Way and Sextus Empiricus's Against books espoused a similar skeptical approach to metaphysical commitments (drawing on Kripke & Wittgenstein) - the exact approach I had mused upon at length before, with some of the same passages I would have chosen.

'Huh', I thought, 'I really should have expected someone to have thought that before, but I guess I didn't because I was surprised and angered (since "my" idea had been stolen) to realize where this essay was going.'

Fortunately, I hadn't gotten around to carefully studying and making notes towards an essay, so I didn't lose too much time to my failure to check whether the idea had already been done. (Unlike the time I re-invented longevity insurance, eg.)

Comment author: Xachariah 31 July 2012 06:15:41AM *  6 points [-]

I was surprised and angered (since "my" idea had been stolen)

My feelings are the opposite. I become exceedingly pleased and amused to find that someone else did it first. Aside from it being instant vindication, it just makes me happy. I feel a sense of kinship knowing that someone, somewhere, had the same data I had and came to the same exact logical leap that I did. It's like we're research buddies across time.

Though I do feel silly and a little mad at myself when I've wasted a lot of time synthesizing something could have just researched instead.

Comment author: cousin_it 30 July 2012 05:01:45PM *  4 points [-]

Thanks for the examples! And also for the footnote about Feynman and Hillis reinventing Kimura's work on population genetics.

Comment author: marchdown 30 July 2012 09:23:54PM 0 points [-]

Wait, I thought that library.nu was shut down back in the spring. What am I missing?

Comment author: gwern 30 July 2012 09:31:01PM 5 points [-]

I never said when I downloaded it.

Comment author: marchdown 31 July 2012 12:16:19AM 1 point [-]

That's what I figured, but I hoped I was wrong, and there's still a super-secret beer-lovers' club which opens if you say "iftahh ya simsim" thrice or something. Assuming you would let me in on a secret, of course.

Comment author: gwern 31 July 2012 12:47:43AM 9 points [-]

Unfortunately, if there was such a secret beer-lovers' club, I couldn't tell a relative stranger like you about it. (Ironically, this is also what I would say if there was no such thing.)

Comment author: [deleted] 31 July 2012 12:32:42AM *  0 points [-]

Me too. Without library.nu, research is significantly harder. If any LWer has an invite to a private repository/tracker for scholarly books/textbooks, please share with me.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 31 July 2012 07:20:55AM *  6 points [-]

Library Genesis.