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6 Post author: Mark_Eichenlaub 31 July 2012 05:49PM

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Comment author: Mark_Eichenlaub 31 July 2012 10:44:31PM *  0 points [-]

I'm not really sure what you mean by "upward tension", sorry. Tension in one dimension is just a scalar. The very bottom of the spring is under no tension at all, and the tension increases as the square root of the height for a stationary hanging slinky.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 01 August 2012 02:06:52PM *  0 points [-]

The tension gradient is upward, indicating an upward force per length.

Comment author: maia 31 July 2012 11:12:02PM 0 points [-]

By "upward," I just meant to emphasize that it was opposing gravity, e.g., positive. But of course, now that I think about it for a minute, I see that I was wrong, it is under no tension at all. Oops.

Comment author: Mark_Eichenlaub 01 August 2012 12:00:17AM *  2 points [-]

I think I see what you mean. To clarify, though, tension doesn't have a direction. In a rope, you can assign a value to the tension at each point. This means that if you cut the rope at that point, you'd have to apply that much force to both ends of the cut to hold the rope together. It's not upward or downward, though. Instead, the net force on a section of rope depends on the change in the tension from the bottom of that piece to the top. The derivative of the tension is what tells you if the net force is upward or downward. This derivative is a force per unit length.

In general, tension is a rank-two tensor, and is just a name for when the pressure is negative.