Rationality Quotes August 2012

6 Post author: Alejandro1 03 August 2012 03:33PM

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Comments (426)

Comment author: Alejandro1 02 August 2012 08:52:13PM 35 points [-]

British philosophy is more detailed and piecemeal than that of the Continent; when it allows itself some general principle, it sets to work to prove it inductively by examining its various applications. Thus Hume, after announcing that there is no idea without an antecedent impression, immediately proceeds to consider the following objection: suppose you are seeing two shades of colour which are similar but not identical, and suppose you have never seen a shade of colour intermediate between the two, can you nevertheless imagine such a shade? He does not decide the question, and considers that a decision adverse to his general principle would not be fatal to him, because his principle is not logical but empirical. When--to take a contrast--Leibniz wants to establish his monadology, he argues, roughly, as follows: Whatever is complex must be composed of simple parts; what is simple cannot be extended; therefore everything is composed of parts having no extension. But what is not extended is not matter. Therefore the ultimate constituents of things are not material, and, if not material, then mental. Consequently a table is really a colony of souls.

The difference of method, here, may be characterized as follows: In Locke or Hume, a comparatively modest conclusion is drawn from a broad survey of many facts, whereas in Leibniz a vast edifice of deduction is pyramided upon a pin-point of logical principle. In Leibniz, if the principle is completely true and the deductions are entirely valid, all is well; but the structure is unstable, and the slightest flaw anywhere brings it down in ruins. In Locke or Hume, on the contrary, the base of the pyramid is on the solid ground of observed fact, and the pyramid tapers upward, not downward; consequently the equilibrium is stable, and a flaw here or there can be rectified without total disaster.

--Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

Comment author: Laoch 04 August 2012 01:56:23PM *  1 point [-]

I often find that I'm not well read enough or perhaps not smart enough to decipher the intricate language of these eminent philosophers. I'd like to know is Russell talking about something akin to scientific empiricism? Can someone enlighten me? From my shallow understanding though, it seems like what he is saying is almost common sense when it comes to building knowledge or beliefs about a problem domain.

Comment author: Alejandro1 04 August 2012 02:13:16PM *  4 points [-]

The idea that one should not philosophize keeping close contact with empirical facts, instead of basing a long chain of arguments on abstract "logical" principles like Leibniz's, may be almost common sense now, but it wasn't in the early modern period of which Russell was talking about. And when Russell wrote this (1940s) he was old enough to remember that these kind of arguments were still prevalent in his youth (1880s-1890s) among absolute idealists like Bradley, as he describes in "Our Knowledge of the External World" (follow the link and do a Ctrl-F search for Bradley). So it did not seem to him a way of thinking that was so ancient and outdated as to be not worth arguing against.

ETA: I meant, "The idea that one should philosophize keeping...", without not, obviously.

Comment author: Laoch 04 August 2012 02:41:31PM 1 point [-]

Ah very good, in that context it makes perfect sense.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 August 2012 09:04:20PM 8 points [-]

[M]uch mistaken thinking about society could be eliminated by the most straightforward application of the pigeonhole principle: you can't fit more pigeons into your pigeon coop than you have holes to put them in. Even if you were telepathic, you could not learn all of what is going on in everybody's head because there is no room to fit all that information in yours. If I could completely scan 1,000 brains and had some machine to copy the contents of those into mine, I could only learn at most about a thousandth of the information stored in those brains, and then only at the cost of forgetting all else I had known. That's a theoretical optimum; any such real-world transfer process, such as reading and writing an e-mail or a book, or tutoring, or using or influencing a market price, will pick up only a small fraction of even the theoretically acquirable knowledge or preferences in the mind(s) at the other end of said process, or if you prefer of the information stored by those brain(s). Of course, one can argue that some kinds of knowledge -- like the kinds you and I know? -- are vastly more important than others, but such a claim is usually more snobbery than fact. Furthermore, a society with more such computational and mental diversity is more productive, because specialized algorithms, mental processes, and skills are generally far more productive than generalized ones. As Friedrich Hayek pointed out, our mutual inability to understand a very high fraction of what others know has profound implications for our economic and political institutions.

-- Nick Szabo

Comment author: bramflakes 02 August 2012 10:45:16PM 6 points [-]

What about compression?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 August 2012 11:42:23PM 5 points [-]

Do you mean lossy or lossless compression? If you mean lossy compression then that is precisely Szabo's point.

On the other hand, if you mean lossless, then if you had some way to losslessly compress a brain, this would only work if you were the only one with this compression scheme, since otherwise other people would apply it to their own brains and use the freed space to store more information.

Comment author: VKS 02 August 2012 11:51:41PM 8 points [-]

You'll probably have more success losslessly compressing two brains than losslessly compressing one.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2012 07:29:00AM 1 point [-]

Still, I don't think you could compress the content of 1000 brains into one. (And I'm not sure about two brains, either. Maybe the brains of two six-year-olds into that of a 25-year-old.)

Comment author: VKS 03 August 2012 09:46:47AM 0 points [-]

I argue that my brain right now contains a lossless copy of itself and itself two words ago!

Getting 1000 brains in here would take some creativity, but I'm sure I can figure something out...

But this is all rather facetious. Breaking the quote's point would require me to be able to compute the (legitimate) results of the computations of an arbitrary number of arbitrarily different brains, at the same speed as them.

Which I can't.

For now.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 12:26:11PM 4 points [-]

I argue that my brain right now contains a lossless copy of itself and itself two words ago!

I'd argue that your brain doesn't even contain a lossless copy of itself. It is a lossless copy of itself, but your knowledge of yourself is limited. So I think that Nick Szabo's point about the limits of being able to model other people applies just as strongly to modelling oneself. I don't, and cannot, know all about myself -- past, current, or future, and that must have substantial implications about something or other that this lunch hour is too small to contain.

How much knowledge of itself can an artificial system have? There is probably some interesting mathematics to be done -- for example, it is possible to write a program that prints out an exact copy of itself (without having access to the file that contains it), the proof of Gödel's theorem involves constructing a proposition that talks about itself, and TDT depends on agents being able to reason about their own and other agents' source codes. Are there mathematical limits to this?

Comment author: VKS 03 August 2012 10:27:05PM 0 points [-]

I never meant to say that I could give you an exact description of my own brain and itself ε ago, just that you could deduce one from looking at mine.

Comment author: maia 03 August 2012 07:41:58PM 4 points [-]

a lossless copy of itself and itself two words ago

But our memories discard huge amounts of information all the time. Surely there's been at least a little degradation in the space of two words, or we'd never forget anything.

Comment author: VKS 03 August 2012 10:15:17PM *  0 points [-]

Certainly. I am suggesting that over sufficiently short timescales, though, you can deduce the previous structure from the current one. Maybe I should have said "epsilon" instead of "two words".

Surely there's been at least a little degradation in the space of two words, or we'd never forget anything.

Why would you expect the degradation to be completely uniform? It seems more reasonable to suspect that, given a sufficiently small timescale, the brain will sometimes be forgetting things and sometimes not, in a way that probably isn't synchronized with its learning of new things.

So, depending on your choice of two words, sometimes the brain would take marginally more bits to describe and sometimes marginally fewer.

Actually, so long as the brain can be considered as operating independently from the outside world (which, given an appropriately chosen small interval of time, makes some amount of sense), a complete description at time t will imply a complete description at time t + δ. The information required to describe the first brain therefore describes the second one too.

So I've made another error: I should have said that my brain contains a lossless copy of itself and itself two words later. (where "two words" = "epsilon")

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 August 2012 08:17:57PM 0 points [-]

It seems more reasonable to suspect that, given a sufficiently small timescale, the brain will sometimes be forgetting things and sometimes not, in a way that probably isn't synchronized with its learning of new things.

See the pigeon-hole argument in the original quote.

Comment author: mfb 04 August 2012 10:10:36PM *  0 points [-]

If you can scan it, maybe you can simulate it? And if you can simulate one, wait some years and you can simulate 1000, probably connected in some way to form a single "thinking system".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 05 August 2012 06:07:26PM 2 points [-]

But not on your own brain.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 August 2012 09:05:32PM 7 points [-]

Not only should you disagree with others, but you should disagree with yourself. Totalitarian thought asks us to consider, much less accept, only one hypothesis at a time. By contrast quantum thought, as I call it -- although it already has a traditional name less recognizable to the modern ear, scholastic thought -- demands that we simultaneoulsy consider often mutually contradictory possibilities. Thinking about and presenting only one side's arguments gives one's thought and prose a false patina of consistency: a fallacy of thought and communications similar to false precision, but much more common and imporant. Like false precision, it can be a mental mistake or a misleading rhetorical habit. In quantum reality, by contrast, I can be both for and against a proposition because I am entertaining at least two significantly possible but inconsistent hypotheses, or because I favor some parts of a set of ideas and not others. If you are unable or unwilling to think in such a quantum or scholastic manner, it is much less likely that your thoughts are worthy of others' consideration.

-- Nick Szabo

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 August 2012 01:53:43PM 12 points [-]

the overuse of "quantum" hurt my eyes. :(

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 02 August 2012 09:27:58PM *  13 points [-]

By keenly confronting the enigmas that surround us, and by considering and analyzing the observations that I have made, I ended up in the domain of mathematics.

M. C. Escher

Comment author: Incorrect 02 August 2012 11:13:29PM 27 points [-]

It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.

-- Oscar Wilde

Comment author: [deleted] 02 August 2012 11:37:37PM 2 points [-]

I like it, but what's it got to do with rationality?

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2012 07:05:44AM 9 points [-]

To me at least, it captures the notion of how the perceived Truth/Falsity of a belief rest solely in our categorization of it as 'tribal' or 'non-tribal': weird or normal. Normal beliefs are true, weird beliefs are false.

We believe our friends more readily than experts.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 August 2012 11:44:18PM 6 points [-]
Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 August 2012 06:00:43AM 30 points [-]

Thank you, Professor Quirrell.

Comment author: Nisan 03 August 2012 04:46:32PM 4 points [-]

It is absurd to divide people into charming or tedious. People either have familiar worldviews or unfamiliar worldviews.

Comment author: DaFranker 03 August 2012 04:51:00PM 6 points [-]

It is absurd to divide people into familiar worldviews or unfamiliar worldviews. People either have closer environmental causality or farther environmental causality.

(anyone care to formalize the recursive tower?)

Comment author: faul_sname 03 August 2012 05:48:34PM *  5 points [-]

It's absurd to divide people into two categories and expect those two categories to be meaningful in more than a few contexts.

Comment author: Clippy 03 August 2012 08:38:37PM 1 point [-]

What about good vs bad humans?

Comment author: faul_sname 04 August 2012 07:52:48PM 1 point [-]

Or humans who create paperclips versus those who don't?

Comment author: Clippy 05 August 2012 12:28:55AM 10 points [-]

I thought I just said that.

Comment author: Stabilizer 03 August 2012 09:05:32PM 20 points [-]

It is absurd to divide people. They tend to die if you do that.

Comment author: Kindly 04 August 2012 12:19:55AM 8 points [-]

It's absurd to divide. You tend to die if you do that.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 August 2012 04:45:07PM 12 points [-]

It's absurd: You tend to die.

Comment author: faul_sname 04 August 2012 07:55:29PM 7 points [-]

It's absurd to die.

Comment author: albeola 04 August 2012 08:43:51PM 5 points [-]

It's bs to die.

Comment author: Decius 04 August 2012 09:50:42PM 1 point [-]

Nobody alive has died yet.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 August 2012 12:43:19AM 8 points [-]

“Males” and “females”. (OK, there are edge cases and stuff, but this doesn't mean the categories aren't meaningful, does it?)

Comment author: Kyre 04 August 2012 10:10:09AM 4 points [-]

On the face of it I would absolutely disagree with Wilde on that: to live a moral life one absolutely needs to distinguish between good and bad. Charm (in bad people) and tedium (in good people) get in the way of this.

On the other hand, was Wilde really just blowing a big raspberry at the moralisers of his day ? Sort of saying "I care more about charm and tedium than what you call morality". I don't know enough about his context ...

Comment author: Incorrect 04 August 2012 02:11:18PM 0 points [-]

On the face of it I would absolutely disagree with Wilde on that: to live a moral life one absolutely needs to distinguish between good and bad.

But is it necessary to divide people into good and bad? What if you were only to apply goodness and badness to consequences and to your own actions?

Comment author: dspeyer 05 August 2012 11:01:55PM 2 points [-]

If your own action is to empower another person, understanding that person's goodness or badness is necessary to understanding the action's goodness or badness.

Comment author: Incorrect 06 August 2012 02:33:16AM -2 points [-]

But that can be entirely reduced to the goodness or badness of consequences.

Comment author: tgb 04 August 2012 02:21:12PM 14 points [-]

Since I can't be bothered to do real research, I'll just point out that this Yahoo answer says that the quote is spoken by Lord Darlington. Oscar Wilde was a humorist and an entertainer. He makes amusing characters. His characters say amusing things.

Do not read too much into this quote and, without further evidence, I would not attribute this philosophy to Oscar Wilde himself.

(I haven't read Lady Windermere's Fan, where this if from, but this sounds very much like something Lord Henry from The Picture of Dorian Gray would say. And Lord Henry is one of the main causes of the Dorian's fall from grace in this book; he's not exactly a very positive character but certainly an entertainingly cynical one!)

Comment author: VKS 06 August 2012 02:57:48AM *  3 points [-]

I don't know that you can really classify people as X or ¬X. I mean, have you not seen individuals be X in certain situations and ¬X in other situations?

&c.

Comment author: MixedNuts 10 August 2012 08:27:23AM 10 points [-]

That's excellent advice for writing fiction. Audiences root for charming characters much more than for good ones. Especially useful when your world only contains villains. This is harder in real life, since your opponents can ignore your witty one-liners and emphasize your mass murders.

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Comment author: peter_hurford 03 August 2012 12:17:53AM 31 points [-]

All of the books in the world contain no more information than is broadcast as video in a single large American city in a single year. Not all bits have equal value.

Carl Sagan

Comment author: Nisan 03 August 2012 07:31:40AM 4 points [-]

Of course, one can argue that some kinds of knowledge -- like the kinds you and I know? -- are vastly more important than others, but such a claim is usually more snobbery than fact.

— Nick Szabo, quoted elsewhere in this post. Fight!

Comment author: faul_sname 03 August 2012 05:32:03PM 10 points [-]

Knowledge and information are different things. An audiobook takes up more hard disk space than an e-book, but they both convey the same knowledge.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 03 August 2012 01:00:07PM 1 point [-]

This is one of the obvious facts that made me recoil in horror while reading Neuromancer. Their currency is BITS? Bits of what?

Comment author: Pfft 03 August 2012 03:35:05PM 4 points [-]

Are you sure you are thinking of the right novel? Searching this for the word "bit" did not find anything.

Comment author: thomblake 03 August 2012 04:05:35PM 5 points [-]

He may have been thinking of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Comment author: thomblake 03 August 2012 06:23:30PM 7 points [-]

Was the parent upvoted because people thought it was funny, or because they thought I had provided the correct answer, or because I mentioned ponies, or some other reason?

Comment author: Armok_GoB 03 August 2012 08:21:15PM 12 points [-]

probably because you mentioned ponies.

Comment author: ChrisPine 05 August 2012 07:06:46PM 13 points [-]

Which got even more upvotes... [sigh]

Please don't become reddit!

Comment author: J_Taylor 03 August 2012 10:47:33PM 5 points [-]

Yes.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 06 August 2012 10:24:32AM 0 points [-]

Apparently so! Then, which book was it?? Shoot.

Comment author: thomblake 03 August 2012 04:07:04PM -1 points [-]

I think this is just a misuse of the word "information". If the bits aren't equal value, clearly they do not have the same amount of information.

Comment author: Omegaile 03 August 2012 05:01:40PM 7 points [-]

I think value was used meaning importance.

Comment author: Pentashagon 03 August 2012 10:00:06PM 21 points [-]

Clearly some bits have value 0, while others have value 1.

Comment author: MichaelHoward 03 August 2012 12:33:29AM *  5 points [-]

Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them.

-- [Edit: Probably not] Albert Einstein

Comment author: ChristianKl 03 August 2012 08:48:56AM 6 points [-]

Do you have a source? Einstein gets quoted quite a lot for stuff he didn't say.

Comment author: MichaelHoward 03 August 2012 11:17:13AM 1 point [-]

Hmm. There are hundreds of thousands of pages asserting that he said it but for some reason I can't find a single reference to it's context.

Thanks. Have edited the quote.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 August 2012 06:35:13PM 4 points [-]

For future reference: wikiquote gives quotes with context.

Comment author: MichaelHoward 03 August 2012 07:48:35PM 1 point [-]

Thanks, I already plugged them :)

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 08 August 2012 03:55:45AM 4 points [-]

Do you have a source? Einstein gets quoted quite a lot for stuff he didn't say.

Yes, and even more annoyingly, he gets quoted on things of which he is a non-expert and has nothing interesting to say (politics, psychology, ethics, etc...).

Comment author: MixedNuts 10 August 2012 08:42:17AM 1 point [-]

Genii seem to create problems. They prevent some in the process, and solve others, but that's not what they're in for: it's not nearly as fun.

Comment author: J_Taylor 03 August 2012 02:09:49AM 34 points [-]

If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience.

-- G. K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

Comment author: Stabilizer 03 August 2012 04:07:02AM 11 points [-]

But a curiosity of my type remains after all the most agreeable of all vices --- sorry, I meant to say: the love of truth has its reward in heaven and even on earth.

-Friedrich Nietzsche

Comment author: Nisan 03 August 2012 07:24:22AM 1 point [-]

Some say (not without a trace of mockery) that the old masters would supposedly forever invest a fraction of their souls in each batch of mithril, and since today there are no souls, but only the ‘objective reality perceived by our senses,’ by definition we have no chance to obtain true mithril.

-Kirill Yeskov, The Last Ringbearer, trans. Yisroel Markov

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 03 August 2012 09:42:06AM 1 point [-]

Context, please?

Comment author: gwern 03 August 2012 04:20:37PM 2 points [-]

I dunno. I read The Last Ringbearer (pretty good, although I have mixed feelings about it in general), but it doesn't seem interesting to me either.

Comment author: Nisan 03 August 2012 04:40:36PM 3 points [-]

Mithril is described as an alloy with near-miraculous properties, produced in ancient times, which cannot be reproduced nowadays, despite the best efforts of modern metallurgy. The book is a work of fiction.

Comment author: Vaniver 03 August 2012 08:50:33PM 12 points [-]

Alternatively, mithril is aluminum, almost unobtainable in ancient times and thus seen as miraculous. Think about that the next time you crush a soda can.

Comment author: RobinZ 09 August 2012 06:00:09PM 8 points [-]

(belated...)

Incidentally, in many cases modern armor is made of aluminum, because aluminum (being less rigid) can dissipate more energy without failing. A suit of chain mail made of aircraft-grade aluminum would seem downright magical a few centuries ago.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 August 2012 06:43:14PM *  1 point [-]

Aluminum was entirely unobtainable in ancient times, I believe. It fuses with carbon as well as oxygen, so there was no way to refine it. And it would have made terrible armor, being quite a lot softer than steel. It also suffers from fatigue failures much more easily than steel. These are some of the reasons it makes a bad, though cheap, material for bikes.

Comment author: Vaniver 09 August 2012 07:48:10PM 3 points [-]

Pure aluminum can be found without reducing it yourself, but it's very rare. You'd have to pluck it out of the interior of a volcano or the bottom of the sea- and so it seems possible that some could end up in the hands of a medieval smith, but very unlikely.

Comment author: gwern 09 August 2012 09:54:59PM 1 point [-]

Oh, I don't know, one would say the same thing about meteoritic iron, and yet there are well documented uses of it.

(Although apparently the Sword of Attila wasn't really meteoritic and I got that from fiction.)

Comment author: Nisan 03 August 2012 07:25:20AM 8 points [-]

"So now I’m pondering the eternal question of whether the ends justify the means."

"Hmm ... can be either way, depending on the circumstances."

"Precisely. A mathematician would say that stated generally, the problem lacks a solution. Therefore, instead of a clear directive the One in His infinite wisdom had decided to supply us with conscience, which is a rather finicky and unreliable device."

— Kirill Yeskov, The Last Ringbearer, trans. Yisroel Markov

Comment author: bungula 03 August 2012 07:28:59AM 23 points [-]

“I drive an Infiniti. That’s really evil. There are people who just starve to death – that’s all they ever did. There’s people who are like, born and they go ‘Uh, I’m hungry’ then they just die, and that’s all they ever got to do. Meanwhile I’m driving in my car having a great time, and I sleep like a baby.

It’s totally my fault, ’cause I could trade my Infiniti for a [less luxurious] car… and I’d get back like $20,000. And I could save hundreds of people from dying of starvation with that money. And everyday I don’t do it. Everyday I make them die with my car.”

Louis C.K.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 03 August 2012 01:23:26PM 27 points [-]

Let us suppose that the great empire of China, with all its myriads of inhabitants, was suddenly swallowed up by an earthquake, and let us consider how a man of humanity in Europe, who had no sort of connexion with that part of the world, would be affected upon receiving intelligence of this dreadful calamity. He would, I imagine, first of all, express very strongly his sorrow for the misfortune of that unhappy people, he would make many melancholy reflections upon the precariousness of human life, and the vanity of all the labours of man, which could thus be annihilated in a moment. He would too, perhaps, if he was a man of speculation, enter into many reasonings concerning the effects which this disaster might produce upon the commerce of Europe, and the trade and business of the world in general. And when all this fine philosophy was over, when all these humane sentiments had been once fairly expressed, he would pursue his business or his pleasure, take his repose or his diversion, with the same ease and tranquillity, as if no such accident had happened. The most frivolous disaster which could befal himself would occasion a more real disturbance. If he was to lose his little finger to-morrow, he would not sleep to-night; but, provided he never saw them, he will snore with the most profound security over the ruin of a hundred millions of his brethren, and the destruction of that immense multitude seems plainly an object less interesting to him, than this paltry misfortune of his own. To prevent, therefore, this paltry misfortune to himself, would a man of humanity be willing to sacrifice the lives of a hundred millions of his brethren, provided he had never seen them? Human nature startles with horror at the thought, and the world, in its greatest depravity and corruption, never produced such a villain as could be capable of entertaining it. But what makes this difference? When our passive feelings are almost always so sordid and so selfish, how comes it that our active principles should often be so generous and so noble? When we are always so much more deeply affected by whatever concerns ourselves, than by whatever concerns other men; what is it which prompts the generous, upon all occasions, and the mean upon many, to sacrifice their own interests to the greater interests of others? It is not the soft power of humanity, it is not that feeble spark of benevolence which Nature has lighted up in the human heart, that is thus capable of counteracting the strongest impulses of self-love. It is a stronger power, a more forcible motive, which exerts itself upon such occasions. It is reason, principle, conscience, the inhabitant of the breast, the man within, the great judge and arbiter of our conduct. It is he who, whenever we are about to act so as to affect the happiness of others, calls to us, with a voice capable of astonishing the most presumptuous of our passions, that we are but one of the multitude, in no respect better than any other in it; and that when we prefer ourselves so shamefully and so blindly to others, we become the proper objects of resentment, abhorrence, and execration. It is from him only that we learn the real littleness of ourselves, and of whatever relates to ourselves, and the natural misrepresentations of self-love can be corrected only by the eye of this impartial spectator. It is he who shows us the propriety of generosity and the deformity of injustice; the propriety of resigning the greatest interests of our own, for the yet greater interests of others, and the deformity of doing the smallest injury to another, in order to obtain the greatest benefit to ourselves. It is not the love of our neighbour, it is not the love of mankind, which upon many occasions prompts us to the practice of those divine virtues. It is a stronger love, a more powerful affection, which generally takes place upon such occasions; the love of what is honourable and noble, of the grandeur, and dignity, and superiority of our own characters.

-Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 01:45:23PM 19 points [-]

And when all this fine philosophy was over, when all these humane sentiments had been once fairly expressed, he would pursue his business or his pleasure, take his repose or his diversion, with the same ease and tranquillity, as if no such accident [as the destruction of China] had happened.

Now that we are informed of disasters worldwide as soon as they happen, and can give at least money with a few mouse clicks, we can put this prediction to the test. What in fact we see is a very great public response to such disasters as the Japanese earthquake and tsunami.

Comment author: Petra 03 August 2012 02:01:45PM 4 points [-]

What in fact we see is a very great public response to such disasters as the Japanese earthquake and tsunami.

True, but first of all, the situation posited is one in which China is "swallowed up". If a disaster occurred, and there was no clear way for the generous public to actually help, do you think you would see the same response? I'm sure you would still have the same loud proclamations of tragedy and sympathy, but would there be action to match it? I suppose it's possible that they would try to support the remaining Chinese who presumably survived by not being in China, but it seems unlikely to me that the same concerted aid efforts would exist.

Secondly, it seems to me that Smith is talking more about genuine emotional distress and lasting life changes than simply any kind of reaction. Yes, people donate money for disaster relief, but do they lose sleep over it? (Yes, there are some people who drop everything and relocate to physically help, but they are the exception.) Is a $5 donation to the Red Cross more indicative of genuine distress and significant change, or the kind of public sympathy that allows the person to return to their lives as soon as they've sent the text?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 02:24:56PM *  7 points [-]

If a disaster occurred, and there was no clear way for the generous public to actually help, do you think you would see the same response?

If help is not possible, obviously there will be no help. But in real disasters, there always is a way to help, and help is always forthcoming.

Comment author: J_Taylor 03 August 2012 10:37:42PM 8 points [-]

Even if help is not possible, there will be "help."

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 August 2012 03:33:20PM 1 point [-]

I was expecting the attribution to be to Mark Twain. I wonder if their style seems similar on account of being old, or if there's more to it.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 August 2012 06:38:58PM 4 points [-]

Tentatively: rhetoric was studied formally, and Twain and Smith might have been working from similar models.

Comment author: Never_Seen_Belgrade 05 August 2012 03:46:00PM 13 points [-]

I think it means you're underread within that period, for what it's worth.

The voice in that quote differs from Twain's and sounds neither like a journalist, nor like a river-side-raised gentleman of the time, nor like a Nineteenth Century rural/cosmopolitan fusion written to gently mock both.

Comment author: Swimmy 09 August 2012 07:23:15PM 3 points [-]

Though the voice isn't, the sentiment seems similar to something Twain would say. Though I'd expect a little more cynicism from him.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2012 04:35:02PM 16 points [-]

Why did people in olden times hate paragraphs so much?

Comment author: DaFranker 03 August 2012 04:48:13PM *  12 points [-]

Paragraphs cost lines, and when each line of paper on average costs five shillings, you use as many of them as you can get away with.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2012 05:05:55PM 20 points [-]

I propose all older works be therefore re-typeset as their creators obviously intended. It'll be like Ted Turner colorizing old movies, except the product in this case will become infinitely more consumable instead of slightly nauseating.

Comment author: DaFranker 03 August 2012 05:13:36PM *  4 points [-]

I support this motion, and further propose that formatting and other aesthetic considerations also be inferred from known data on the authors to fully reflect the manner in which they would have presented their work had they been aware of and capable of using all our current nice-book-writing technology.

...which sounds a lot like Eliezer's Friendly AI "first and final command". (I would link to the exact quote, but I've lost the bookmark. Will edit it in once found.)

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2012 05:17:08PM *  6 points [-]

I concur, with the proviso that "nice technology" must also include the idea compression style of Twitter.

Also, if paper was so expensive, why the hell did they overwrite so much? Status-driven fashion?

Comment author: maia 03 August 2012 07:38:10PM 2 points [-]

Some writers were paid by the word and/or line.

Comment author: James_K 03 August 2012 09:52:36PM 2 points [-]

I think much of it is that brevity simply wasn't seen as a virtue back then. There were far fewer written works, so you had more time to go through each one.

Comment author: gwern 04 August 2012 01:39:58AM *  4 points [-]

I think it's the vagary of various times. All periods had pretty expensive media and some were, as one would expect, terse as hell. (Reading a book on Nagarjuna, I'm reminded that reading his Heart of the Middle Way was like trying to read a math book with nothing but theorems. And not even the proofs. 'Wait, could you go back and explain that? Or anything?') Latin prose could be very concise. Biblical literature likewise. I'm told much Chinese literature is similar (especially the classics), and I'd believe it from the translations I've read.

Some periods praised clarity and simplicity of prose. Others didn't, and gave us things like Thomas Browne's Urn Burial.

(We also need to remember that we read difficulty as complexity. Shakespeare is pretty easy to read... if you have a vocabulary so huge as to overcome the linguistic drift of 4 centuries and are used to his syntax. His contemporaries would not have had such problems.)

Comment author: [deleted] 04 August 2012 02:26:53AM 3 points [-]

I'm told much Chinese literature is similar (especially the classics), and I'd believe it from the translations I've read.

For context, the first paragraph-ish thing in Romance of the Three Kingdoms covers about two hundred years of history in about as many characters, in the meanwhile setting up the recurring theme of perpetual unification, division and subsequent reunification.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 09 August 2012 01:48:45AM 3 points [-]

When our passive feelings are almost always so sordid and so selfish, how comes it that our active principles should often be so generous and so noble?

Why do some people so revile our passive feelings, and so venerate hypocrisy?

Comment author: wedrifid 09 August 2012 02:44:00PM 5 points [-]

Why do some people so revile our passive feelings, and so venerate hypocrisy?

Because it helps coerce others into doing things that benefit us and reduces how much force is exercised upon us while trading off the minimal amount of altruistic action necessary. There wouldn't (usually) be much point having altruistic principles and publicly reviling them.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 09 August 2012 07:03:00PM 1 point [-]

That's quite a theory. It's like the old fashioned elitist theory that hypocrisy is necessary to keep the hoi polloi in line, except apparently applied to everyone.

Or not? Do you think you are made more useful to yourself and others by reviling your feelings and being hypocritical about your values?

Comment author: wedrifid 09 August 2012 07:21:15PM 3 points [-]

That's quite a theory.

The standard one. I was stating the obvious, not being controversial.

Do you think you are made more useful to yourself and others by reviling your feelings and being hypocritical about your values?

I never said I did so. (And where did this 'useful to others' thing come in? That's certainly not something I'd try to argue for. The primary point of the hypocrisy is to reduce the amount that you actually spend helping others, for a given level of professed ideals.)

Comment author: buybuydandavis 09 August 2012 07:47:51PM *  1 point [-]

The primary point of the hypocrisy is to reduce the amount that you actually spend helping others, for a given level of professed ideals.

Sorry, I wasn't getting what you were saying.

People are hypocritical to send the signal that they are more altruistic than they are? I suppose some do. Do you really think most people are consciously hypocritical on this score?

I've wondered as much about a lot of peculiar social behavior, particularly the profession of certain beliefs - are most people consciously lying, and I just don't get the joke? Are the various crazy ideas people seem to have, where they seem to fail on epistemic grounds, just me mistaking what they consider instrumentally rational lies for epistemic mistakes?

Comment author: DanielLC 04 August 2012 02:39:48AM 21 points [-]

… and I’d get back like $20,000. And I could save hundreds of people from dying of starvation with that money.

According to GiveWell, you could save ten people with that much.

Comment author: roland 03 August 2012 08:06:53AM *  8 points [-]

Explanations are all based on what makes it into our consciousness, but actions and the feelings happen before we are consciously aware of them—and most of them are the results of nonconscious processes, which will never make it into the explanations. The reality is, listening to people’s explanations of their actions is interesting—and in the case of politicians, entertaining—but often a waste of time. --Michael Gazzaniga

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 09:30:14AM *  6 points [-]

Does that apply to that explanation as well?

Does it apply to explanations made in advance of the actions? For example, this evening (it is presently morning) I intend buying groceries on my way home from work, because there's stuff I need and this is a convenient opportunity to get it. When I do it, that will be the explanation.

In the quoted article, the explanation he presents as a paradigmatic example of his general thesis is the reflex of jumping away from rustles in the grass. He presents an evolutionary just-so story to explain it, but one which fails to explain why I do not jump away from rustles in the grass, although surely I have much the same evolutionary background as he. I am more likely to peer closer to see what small creature is scurrying around in there. But then, I have never lived anywhere that snakes are a danger. He has.

And yet this, and split-brain experiments, are the examples he cites to say that "often", we shouldn't listen to anyone's explanations of their behaviour.

If you were to have asked me why I had jumped, I would have replied that I thought I’d seen a snake. The reality, however, is that I jumped way before I was conscious of the snake.

I smell crypto-dualism. "I thought there was a snake" seems to me a perfectly good description of the event, even given that I jumped way before I was conscious of the snake. (He has "I thought I'd seen a snake", but this is a fictional example, and I can make up fiction as well as he can.)

The article references his book. Anyone read it? The excerpts I've skimmed on Amazon just consist of more evidence that we are brains: the Libet experiments, the perceived simultaneity of perceptions whose neural signals aren't, TMS experiments, and so on. There are some digressions into emergence, chaos, and quantum randomness. Then -- this is his innovation, highlighted in the publisher's blurb -- he sees responsibility as arising from social interaction. Maybe I'm missing something in the full text, but is he saying that someone alone really is just an automaton, and only in company can one really be a person?

I believe there are people like that, who only feel alive in company and feel diminished when alone. Is this is just an example of someone mistaking their idiosyncratic mental constitution for everybody's?

Comment author: Cyan 03 August 2012 02:31:12PM *  2 points [-]

..listening to people’s explanations of their actions is... often a waste of time.

Does that apply to that explanation as well?

Obviously not, since Gazzaniga is not explaining his own actions.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 02:35:22PM 0 points [-]

Obviously not, since Gazzaniga is not explaining his own actions.

He is, among other things, explaining some of his own actions: his actions of explaining his actions.

Comment author: Cyan 03 August 2012 06:09:51PM *  1 point [-]

You seem to have failed to notice the key point. Here's a slight rephrasing of it: "explanations for actions will fail to reflect the actual causes of those actions to the extent that those actions are the results of nonconscious processes."

You ask, does Gazzaniga's explanation apply to explanations made in advance of the actions? The key point I've highlighted answers that question. In particular, your explanation of the actions you plan to take are (well, seem to me to be) the result of conscious processes. You consciously apprehended that you need groceries and consciously formulated a plan to fulfill that need.

It seems to me that in common usage, when a person says "I thought there was a snake" they mean something closer to, "I thought I consciously apprehended the presence of a snake," than, "some low-level perceptual processing pattern-matched 'snake' and sent motor signals for retreating before I had a chance to consider the matter consciously."

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 August 2012 07:40:40AM *  4 points [-]

"explanations for actions will fail to reflect the actual causes of those actions to the extent that those actions are the results of nonconscious processes."

Yes, he says that. And then he says:

listening to people’s explanations of their actions is interesting—and in the case of politicians, entertaining—but often a waste of time.

thus extending the anecdote of snakes in the grass to a parable that includes politicans' speeches.

It seems to me that in common usage, when a person says "I thought there was a snake" they mean something closer to, "I thought I consciously apprehended the presence of a snake," than, "some low-level perceptual processing pattern-matched 'snake' and sent motor signals for retreating before I had a chance to consider the matter consciously."

Or perhaps they mean "I heard a sound that might be a snake". As long as we're just making up scenarios, we can slant them to favour any view of consciousness we want. This doesn't even rise to the level of anecdote.

Comment author: roland 03 August 2012 08:55:53PM 4 points [-]

There is a famous study that digs a bit deeper and convincingly demonstrates it: Telling more than we can know: Verbal reports on mental processes.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 August 2012 07:46:44AM *  6 points [-]

From the abstract:

This suggests that though people may not be able to observe directly their cognitive processes, they will sometimes be able to report accurately about them.

It seems to me that "cognitive processes" could be replaced by "physical surroundings", and the resulting statement would still be true. I am not sure how significant these findings are. We have imperfect knowledge of ourselves, but we have imperfect knowledge of everything.

Comment author: MixedNuts 10 August 2012 08:07:42AM 2 points [-]

Did you in fact buy the groceries?

Comment author: katydee 03 August 2012 08:35:20AM 19 points [-]

I have always thought that one man of tolerable abilities may work great changes, and accomplish great affairs among mankind, if he first forms a good plan, and, cutting off all amusements or other employments that would divert his attention, makes the execution of that same plan his sole study and business.

-- Benjamin Franklin

Comment author: Delta 03 August 2012 10:24:51AM 12 points [-]

The sentiment is correct (diligence may be more important than brilliance) but I think "all amusements and other employments" might be too absolute an imperative for most people to even try to live by. Most people will break down if they try to work too hard for too long, and changes of activity can be very important in keeping people fresh.

Comment author: shokwave 04 August 2012 07:46:50PM 4 points [-]

It's possible that what Franklin meant by "amusements" didn't include leisure: in his time, when education was not as widespread, a gentleman might have described learning a second language as an "amusement".

Comment author: [deleted] 05 August 2012 06:00:31AM *  5 points [-]

I've heard this a lot, but it sounds a bit too convenient to me. When external (or internal) circumstances have forced me to spend lots of time on one specific, not particularly entertaining task, I've found that I actually become more interested and enthusiastic about that thing. For example, when I had to play chess for like 5 hours a day for a week once, or when I went on holiday and came back to 5000 anki reviews, or when I was on a maths camp that started every day with a problem set that took over 4 hours.

Re "breaking down": if you mean they'll have a breakdown of will and be unable to continue working, that's an easy problem to solve - just hire someone to watch you and whip you whenever your productivity declines. And/Or chew nicotine gum when at your most productive. Or something. If you mean some other kind of breakdown, that does sound like something to be cautious of, but I think the correct response isn't to surrender eighty percent of your productivity, but to increase the amount of discomfort you can endure, maybe through some sort of hormesis training.

Comment author: DanielH 07 August 2012 01:48:40AM 9 points [-]

Playing chess for 5 hours a day does not make chess your "sole study and business" unless you have some disorder forcing you to sleep for 19 hours a day. If you spent the rest of your waking time studying chess, playing practice games, and doing the minimal amount necessary to survive (eating, etc.), THEN chess is your "sole study and business"; otherwise, you spend less than 1/3 your waking life on it, which is less than people spend at a regular full time job (at least in the US).

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 09 August 2012 02:36:53PM *  6 points [-]

just hire someone to watch you and whip you whenever your productivity declines

In my model this strategy decreases productivity for some tasks; especially those which require thinking. Fear of punishment brings "fight or flight" reaction, both of these options are harmful for thinking.

Comment author: BillyOblivion 09 August 2012 10:19:47AM 6 points [-]

I think that both you and Mr. Franklin are correct.

To wreak great changes one must stay focused and work diligently on one's goal. One needn't eliminate all pleasures from life, but I think you'll find that very, very few people can have a serious hobby and a world changing vocation.

Most of us of "tolerable" abilities cannot maintain the kind of focus and purity of dedication required. That is why the world changes as little as it does. If everyone, as an example who was to the right of center on the IQ curve could make great changes etc., then "great" would be redefined upwards (if most people could run a 10 second 100 meter, Mr. Bolt would only be a little special).

Further more...Oooohh...shiny....

Comment author: roland 03 August 2012 08:56:07AM 28 points [-]

Yes -- and to me, that's a perfect illustration of why experiments are relevant in the first place! More often than not, the only reason we need experiments is that we're not smart enough. After the experiment has been done, if we've learned anything worth knowing at all, then hopefully we've learned why the experiment wasn't necessary to begin with -- why it wouldn't have made sense for the world to be any other way. But we're too dumb to figure it out ourselves! --Scott Aaronson

Comment author: faul_sname 03 August 2012 05:39:22PM 3 points [-]

Or at least confirmation bias makes it seem that way.

Comment author: roland 03 August 2012 08:49:06PM 6 points [-]

Also hindsight bias. But I still think the quote has a perfectly valid point.

Comment author: faul_sname 04 August 2012 07:54:51PM 3 points [-]

Agreed.

Comment author: Delta 03 August 2012 10:41:45AM 55 points [-]

“Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed!” ― C.J. Cherryh

(not sure if that is who said it originally, but that's the first creditation I found)

Comment author: MichaelHoward 03 August 2012 11:41:24AM 9 points [-]

Should we add a point to these quote posts, that before posting a quote you should check there is a reference to it's original source or context? Not necessarily to add to the quote, but you should be able to find it if challenged.

wikiquote.org seems fairly diligent at sourcing quotes, but Google doesn't rank it highly in search results compared to all the misattributed, misquoted or just plain made up on the spot nuggets of disinformation that have gone viral and colonized Googlespace lying in wait to catch the unwary (such as apparently myself).

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 August 2012 12:05:45PM 4 points [-]

Yes, and also a point to check whether the quote has been posted to LW already.

Comment author: harshhpareek 03 August 2012 04:22:53PM *  6 points [-]

To develop mathematics, one must always labor to substitute ideas for calculations.

-- Dirichlet

(Don't have source, but the following paper quotes it : Prolegomena to Any Future Qualitative Physics )

Comment author: roland 03 August 2012 08:47:38PM 0 points [-]

However, the facile explanations provided by the left brain interpreter may also enhance the opinion of a person about themselves and produce strong biases which prevent the person from seeing themselves in the light of reality and repeating patterns of behavior which led to past failures. The explanations generated by the left brain interpreter may be balanced by right brain systems which follow the constraints of reality to a closer degree.

Comment author: D_Malik 04 August 2012 04:15:04AM *  14 points [-]

Only the ideas that we actually live are of any value.

-- Hermann Hesse, Demian

Comment author: lukeprog 04 August 2012 10:28:30AM 10 points [-]

Reductionism is the most natural thing in the world to grasp. It's simply the belief that "a whole can be understood completely if you understand its parts, and the nature of their sum." No one in her left brain could reject reductionism.

Douglas Hofstadter

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 04 August 2012 10:32:56AM 8 points [-]

That quote is supposed to be paired with another quote about holism.

Comment author: chaosmosis 05 August 2012 11:55:00PM *  1 point [-]

Q: What did the strange loop say to the cow? A: MU!

Comment author: Alejandro1 06 August 2012 03:54:30AM 5 points [-]

-- Knock knock.

-- Who is it?

-- Interrupting koan.

-- Interrupting ko-

-- MU!!!

Comment author: [deleted] 06 August 2012 07:56:27AM 9 points [-]

ADBOC. Literally, that's true (but tautologous), but it suggests that understanding the nature of their sum is simple, which it isn't. Knowing the Standard Model gives hardly any insight into sociology, even though societies are made of elementary particles.

Comment author: summerstay 04 August 2012 02:41:24PM *  38 points [-]

Interviewer: How do you answer critics who suggest that your team is playing god here?

Craig Venter: Oh... we're not playing.

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 August 2012 05:08:58PM 3 points [-]

Fiction is a branch of neurology.

-- J. G. Ballard (in a "what I'm working on" essay from 1966.)

Comment author: [deleted] 04 August 2012 06:09:52PM 23 points [-]

Take, say, physics, which restricts itself to extremely simple questions. If a molecule becomes too complex, they hand it over to the chemists. If it becomes too complex for them, they hand it to biologists. And if the system is too complex for them, they hand it to psychologists ... and so on until it ends up in the hands of historians or novelists.

Noam Chomsky

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 August 2012 07:25:08PM 3 points [-]

Ballard does note later in the same essay "Neurology is a branch of fiction."

Comment author: arundelo 04 August 2012 07:46:23PM 11 points [-]

I am a strange loop and so can you!

Comment author: [deleted] 05 August 2012 01:00:33AM 4 points [-]
Comment author: tastefullyOffensive 04 August 2012 11:30:32PM -1 points [-]

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe. --Carl Sagan

Comment author: lukeprog 05 August 2012 03:26:02AM 5 points [-]

He who knows best, best knows how little he knows.

Thomas Jefferson

Comment author: Alicorn 05 August 2012 07:18:30PM 18 points [-]

My knee had a slight itch. I reached out my hand and scratched the knee in question. The itch was relieved and I was able to continue with my activities.

-- The dullest blog in the world

Comment author: [deleted] 05 August 2012 10:23:42PM 2 points [-]

Why do I find that funny?

Comment author: cousin_it 06 August 2012 11:53:25AM 6 points [-]

I had an itch on my elbow. I left it to see where it would go. It didn’t go anywhere.

-- The comments to that entry.

When I stumbled on that blog some years ago, it impressed me so much that I started trying to write and think in the same style.

Comment author: aausch 05 August 2012 07:52:35PM 15 points [-]

Did you teach him wisdom as well as valor, Ned? she wondered. Did you teach him how to kneel? The graveyards of the Seven Kingdoms were full of brave men who had never learned that lesson

-- Catelyn Stark, A Game of Thrones, George R. R. Martin

Comment author: Stabilizer 05 August 2012 11:19:45PM *  19 points [-]

I don't think winners beat the competition because they work harder. And it's not even clear that they win because they have more creativity. The secret, I think, is in understanding what matters.

It's not obvious, and it changes. It changes by culture, by buyer, by product and even by the day of the week. But those that manage to capture the imagination, make sales and grow are doing it by perfecting the things that matter and ignoring the rest.

Both parts are difficult, particularly when you are surrounded by people who insist on fretting about and working on the stuff that makes no difference at all.

-Seth Godin

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 August 2012 03:16:16PM 4 points [-]

Could you add the link if it was a blog post, or name the book if the source was a book?

Comment author: Stabilizer 09 August 2012 08:05:18PM 2 points [-]

Done.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 09 August 2012 01:41:50AM 3 points [-]

A common piece of advice from pro Magic: the Gathering plays is "focus on what matters." The advice is mostly useless to many people though because the pros have made it to that level precisely because they know what matters to begin with.

Comment author: alex_zag_al 09 August 2012 04:56:43AM 16 points [-]

perhaps the better advice, then, is "when things aren't working, consider the possibility that it's because your efforts are not going into what matters, rather than assuming it is because you need to work harder on the issues you're already focusing on"

Comment author: tastefullyOffensive 06 August 2012 03:22:08AM 3 points [-]

A lie, repeated a thousand times, becomes a truth. --Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda

Comment author: metatroll 06 August 2012 04:35:43AM 22 points [-]

It does not! It does not! It does not! ... continued here

Comment author: Alicorn 06 August 2012 04:40:11AM *  17 points [-]

Since Mischa died, I've comforted myself by inventing reasons why it happened. I've been explaining it away ... But that's all bull. There was no reason. It happened and it didn't need to.

-- Erika Moen

Comment author: shminux 06 August 2012 05:53:07AM 3 points [-]

I wonder how common it is for people to agentize accidents. I don't do that, but, annoyingly, lots of people around me do.

Comment author: GLaDOS 06 August 2012 10:04:20AM 22 points [-]

The findings reveal that 20.7% of the studied articles in behavioral economics propose paternalist policy action and that 95.5% of these do not contain any analysis of the cognitive ability of policymakers.

-- Niclas Berggren, source and HT to Tyler Cowen

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 08 August 2012 03:49:39AM *  5 points [-]

Sounds like a job for...Will_Newsome!

EDIT: Why the downvotes? This seems like a fairly obvious case of researchers going insufficiently meta.

Comment author: frostgiant 08 August 2012 02:13:24AM *  27 points [-]

The problem with Internet quotes and statistics is that often times, they’re wrongfully believed to be real.

— Abraham Lincoln

Comment author: Scottbert 08 August 2012 02:34:31AM *  20 points [-]

reinventing the wheel is exactly what allows us to travel 80mph without even feeling it. the original wheel fell apart at about 5mph after 100 yards. now they're rubber, self-healing, last 4000 times longer. whoever intended the phrase "you're reinventing the wheel" to be an insult was an idiot.

--rickest on IRC

Comment author: [deleted] 08 August 2012 07:57:10PM *  19 points [-]

That's not what "reinventing the wheel" (when used as an insult) usually means. I guess that the inventor of the tyre was aware of the earlier types of wheel, their advantages, and their shortcomings. Conversely, the people who typically receive this insult don't even bother to research the prior art on whatever they are doing.

Comment author: thomblake 08 August 2012 09:01:19PM 15 points [-]

To go along with what army1987 said, "reinventing the wheel" isn't going from the wooden wheel to the rubber one. "Reinventing the wheel" is ignoring the rubber wheels that exist and spending months of R&D to make a wooden circle.

For example, trying to write a function to do date calculations, when there's a perfectly good library.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 08 August 2012 04:43:07PM *  28 points [-]

But I came to realize that I was not a wizard, that "will-power" was not mana, and I was not so much a ghost in the machine, as a machine in the machine.

Ta-nehisi Coates

Comment author: [deleted] 08 August 2012 07:58:35PM 11 points [-]

When a philosophy thus relinquishes its anchor in reality, it risks drifting arbitrarily far from sanity.

Gary Drescher, Good and Real

Comment author: Alicorn 09 August 2012 12:26:50AM 12 points [-]

It's not the end of the world. Well. I mean, yes, literally it is the end of the world, but moping doesn't help!

-- A Softer World

Comment author: FiftyTwo 09 August 2012 07:06:09PM 5 points [-]

[Meta] This post doesn't seem to be tagged 'quotes,' making it less convenient to move from it to the other quote threads.

Comment author: MichaelGR 09 August 2012 08:06:20PM 11 points [-]

The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes…

— Arthur Conan Doyle, “The Hound of the Baskervilles”