shminux comments on "Epiphany addiction" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 03 August 2012 06:42:46PM 9 points [-]

people get a rush of power from neat-sounding realizations, and mistake that feeling for actual power

How do you tell the difference?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 03 August 2012 06:59:11PM 4 points [-]

For my own part: it's power if it actually causes a state-change in the system, and not otherwise.

Comment author: David_Gerard 03 August 2012 07:22:42PM *  8 points [-]

Yeah. It's realising that epiphany is an aesthetic experience, and requires results before it's the life-change it labels itself as. Epiphanies can in fact be just another way to fool yourself.

Comment author: roystgnr 04 August 2012 04:56:23AM 4 points [-]

It's hard to define "results" here, though, isn't it?

Example: I once encountered someone who just "knew" that the raises they were getting were proof that their religion was true. They were less successful, then they prayed for years like they were taught, then they were more successful. Results, right?

But when you look at the census data: between accumulation of human capital and just-plain inflation, the median retiree has seen their income go up by an order of magnitude over their life time. Getting raise after raise and watching your salary go up ten-fold was the default life experience, not proof of divine intervention.

So to see "results" you can't always just compare "before" vs. "after". Even if you see results of your epiphanies, does that mean the epiphanies get the credit, or might you have seen the same improvement from the same amount of life experience, epiphany-free? Or even if the epiphanies did help: which ones? If you're seeking out epiphanies, odds are you're not just testing out one new idea at a time then waiting to rigorously analyze the independent results of each.

To reuse my example: even though income increase was a lousy metric, on other evidence I would actually say that their religion was providing many adherents with "actual power", on net: buying the whole package wasn't nearly as beneficial as picking out the value from the dross would have been, but it was better than the also-mixed-bag of beliefs that most competing religions and secular ideologies offered.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 03 August 2012 07:38:47PM 2 points [-]

I think epiphanies are best thought of as fuel that gives you a short burst of "actual power", whatever that means.

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 August 2012 04:51:25PM *  0 points [-]

Reminding you to get off your arse, yeah. I have a few favourites (e.g.) that I find useful for this.

I enjoy LW and it does remind me to try not to be stupid. As I've noted, I'm not entirely sure the outside view would see any practical effects.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 04 August 2012 09:21:18AM 1 point [-]

How do you tell the difference?

Measure a proxy for the relevant improvement in yourself that should result from said "realization". Graph the results in a few weeks/months/years (but decide what the graph would look like if you were achieving "actual power" before you look). That's what I do anyway.