Omegaile comments on Solving the two envelopes problem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Omegaile 13 August 2012 07:43:45PM *  2 points [-]

There is another very cool puzzle that can be considered a followup which is:

There are two envelopes in which I, the host of the game, put two different natural numbers, chosen by any distribution I like, that you don't have access. The two envelopes are indistinguishable. You pick one of them (and since they are indistinguishable, this can be considered a fair coin flip). After that you open the envelope and see the number. You have a chance to switch your number for the hidden number. Then, this number is revealed and if you choose the greater you win, let's say a dollar, otherwise you pay a dollar.

Now, before everything I said happens, you must devise a strategy that guarantees that you have a greater than 1/2 chance of winning.

Some notes:

1- the problem may be extended for rational, or any set of constructive numbers. But if you want to think only in probabilities this is irrelevant, just an over formalism.

2- This may seem uncorrelated to the two envelopes puzzle at first, but it isn't.

3- I saw this problem first on EDITthis post on xkcd blag. Thanks for Vaniver for pointing out.

Comment author: Vaniver 13 August 2012 08:56:34PM 1 point [-]

I believe you're thinking of this blag post.

Comment author: Omegaile 13 August 2012 09:36:09PM 1 point [-]

Yes, that's it! Thanks.

Comment author: Pentashagon 17 August 2012 04:22:29PM 0 points [-]

Isn't there an additional requirement that there is a minimum element in the set?

Comment author: Omegaile 18 August 2012 07:05:19PM 0 points [-]

No, you can think on the rationals, for example.

Comment author: wedrifid 13 August 2012 08:45:27PM 0 points [-]

There are two envelopes in which I, the host of the game, put two different natural numbers, chosen by any distribution I like, that you don't have access.

Now, before everything I said happens, you must devise a strategy that guarantees that you have a greater than 1/2 chance of winning.

Well natural numbers and simple greater than satisfying makes it easy. "If one THEN swap ELSE keep."

Comment author: Omegaile 13 August 2012 09:33:57PM 2 points [-]

Maybe I didn't express myself well, but this strategy should work regardless of the distribution I choose. For example, if I choose a distribution in which 1 has probability 0, than your strategy yield 1/2 chance.

Comment author: wedrifid 14 August 2012 01:53:11AM -1 points [-]

Maybe I didn't express myself well, but this strategy should work regardless of the distribution I choose. For example, if I choose a distribution in which 1 has probability 0, than your strategy yield 1/2 chance.

If that kind of selection of distributions is possible then there is no free lunch to be found.

For any strategy of envelope switching a hostile distribution selector who knows your strategy in advance can trivially select distributions to thwart it.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 14 August 2012 02:45:16PM *  1 point [-]

Have you looked at the "solution"? There really isn't a counter-strategy that reduces it to 1/2 chance, although there are strategies moving it arbitrarily close to 1/2.