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Comment author: [deleted] 25 May 2013 12:03:53PM 6 points [-]

Alternatively, try to explain to someone with little-to-no English knowledge what something like "simple" or "almost all of" means.

I remember having this conversation with someone with very poor English:

Me: Did you have fun tonight?

Her: Fun? What does that mean?

Me: Did you enjoy yourself?

Her: Move myself?

Me: Enjoy.

Her: [confused look]

Me: Never mind.

Comment author: kpreid 25 May 2013 02:30:57PM 6 points [-]

I imagined myself explaining “simple” and the very first thought was the phrase “not complex”. Oops.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 May 2013 04:02:48AM 11 points [-]

Just show them examples of small Turing machines until they catch on.

Comment author: fowlertm 26 May 2013 04:17:45AM 1 point [-]

"Alright kids, can you say 'computation'? Repeat after me: COM-PYOU-TAY-SHON..."

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 May 2013 03:05:40PM 1 point [-]

"Foreign" does not mean "stupid".

Comment author: [deleted] 27 May 2013 03:43:37PM 5 points [-]

Just because you're not stupid doesn't mean it's trivially easy for you to correctly pronounce a word in a foreign language after hearing it once spoken at a normal speech rate.

As for the “kids”...

Comment author: Osiris 28 May 2013 10:39:35AM 3 points [-]

As a person who had to adjust to life in the United States after moving over from Russia... There are three English phrases that a foreigner must know to learn English quickly, so long as they are willing to LOOK stupid (an important art in a world so obsessed with being serious). 1. "Where's the Bathroom?" Apart from its obvious uses, it is is essential to one's survival to know where one may hide to plot one's next move. Given the creative responses I sometimes received, I suspect it is also useful for learning profanity. 2. "I don't understand." It is the most useful phrase in the English language. People will generally make an effort to communicate on a number of levels after this is used. Excellent for new words and concepts. 3. "Please help." Not all technology will have clear instructions printed on it. Getting lost is also unpleasant when you cannot read the signs. So, asking for help early and often helps one avoid all kinds of trouble (such as accidentally setting a classroom on fire because you don't know how a Bunsen burner works). Many learning opportunities are missed when one figures something out with no input from a person used to the tech...

Perhaps phrases similar to these exist in every language--by using them, one can learn the rest of the language quickly, if clumsily.

Comment author: fowlertm 25 May 2013 03:48:32PM 6 points [-]

Math works well with the kids. I write "1 + 1 = 2" and say "simple", then write the quadratic equation and say "not simple".

Comment author: Martin-2 28 May 2013 05:19:51AM *  5 points [-]

Or, if one of the kids is Eliezer Yudkowsky, you can write Maxwell's equations and say "simple", then write a program simulating Thor and say "not simple".

Comment author: sanddbox 26 May 2013 06:43:58AM 2 points [-]

So, simple is a type of equation?

Jokes aside, that's an excellent answer.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 28 May 2013 03:28:24PM 1 point [-]

I see nothing wrong with this. You may have to go through complex to get to simple.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 May 2013 05:38:15PM *  8 points [-]

"Did you smile?" /smiles

"Oh!"