billswift comments on The Doubling Box - Less Wrong

13 Post author: Mestroyer 06 August 2012 05:50AM

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Comment author: billswift 06 August 2012 12:49:53PM 0 points [-]

There are no other ways to get utilons.

Is a weakness in your argument. Either you can survive without utilons, a contradiction to utility theory, or you wait until your "pre-existing" utilons are used up and you need more to survive.

Comment author: selylindi 06 August 2012 02:14:22PM 10 points [-]

This suggests a joke solution: Tell people about the box, then ask them for a loan which you will repay with proceeds from the box. Then you can live off the loan and let your creditors worry about solving the unsolvable.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 August 2012 05:18:21PM 4 points [-]

Is a weakness in your argument. Either you can survive without utilons, a contradiction to utility theory, or you wait until your "pre-existing" utilons are used up and you need more to survive.

Utilons don't need to be associated with survival. Survival can be a mere instrumental good used to increase the amount of actual utilons generated (by making, say, paperclips). I get the impression that you mean something different by the word than what the post (and the site) mean.

Comment author: Mestroyer 06 August 2012 02:13:45PM 0 points [-]

What's wrong with not having any more reason to live after you get the utilons?

Comment author: billswift 06 August 2012 05:09:54PM -1 points [-]

I see you found yet another problem, with no way to get more utilons you die when those in the box are used up. And utility theory says you need utility to live, not just to give you reason to live.

Comment author: rocurley 06 August 2012 06:18:23PM 1 point [-]

And utility theory says you need utility to live, not just to give you reason to live.

This is contrary to my understanding. Can you explain, please?