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Comment author: aelephant 08 August 2012 11:51:20PM 3 points [-]

Off-topic, but why is it illegal to use anesthetic?

Sarver was trying a technique he learned in the military to block out the pain, since it was illegal to administer anesthetic for his procedure.

Comment author: phonypapercut 09 August 2012 12:12:06AM 2 points [-]

Using surgical tools like a scalpel is a grey area for piercers. Operating with these instruments, or any kind of anestheia, could be classified as practicing medicine. Without a medical license, a piercer who does this is technically committing assault on the person getting the implant.

Comment author: falenas108 09 August 2012 01:10:44AM 2 points [-]

So, an action by itself is not assault, but if you do the same action but make sure it doesn't hurt the patient, it is assault?

Comment author: [deleted] 09 August 2012 04:11:41PM 4 points [-]

Well, some people are unwise enough to visit psychics, shamans and witch doctors instead of actual medicine doctors; I guess this law is supposed to make life harder for self-trained surgeon wannabes.

Comment author: phonypapercut 09 August 2012 01:31:14AM *  1 point [-]

It seems likely to me that assault isn't involved in this at all, it's just illegal to buy or administer anesthetics without a medical license.

Comment author: aelephant 09 August 2012 01:28:18PM 0 points [-]

Why is it illegal to buy or administer anesthetics without a medical license? Just defending the monopoly or is there some legitimate reason?

Comment author: OrphanWilde 09 August 2012 02:01:28PM 1 point [-]

It's not, strictly speaking. I can buy OTC anesthetics myself; lidocaine is in many sunburn creams, for example, and I can apply them to somebody without a medical license.

However, the anesthetics which are used during major surgery are (as far as I know, all) controlled substances, on account of their narcotic properties.

Comment author: aelephant 10 August 2012 12:36:47AM 0 points [-]

I think you are confusing Anesthetics and Narcotics / Opioids. Like you said, Lidocaine is an anesthetic and in some formulations it is available OTC. As far as I know the injectible form is Prescription only, but there is a difference between being Prescription only & being a Controlled substance (like Morphine, for instance).